Besslers prime mover and its enabler.

[Roxaway59]

Just posting an update on what I’m doing.

I have identified two key areas where I believe I can move towards the wheel powering itself.

One is to do with the balancing of the mechanisms prior to attaching the weights.
The other is to do with the way the weights are positioned.

The basic simulations I have been working on seem to indicate that if I can get these two things right that the wheel can power itself. Obviously the mechanisms would still have to overbalance themselves as they did in the latest videos in order for that to happen. I can only hope that is the case and I will be attempting to do this over the next few days as I make new weights to go on it.
Graham

[Roxaway59]

Just posting an update before I try experimenting with a few things today.

Firstly in order to carry on drilling steel I will have to go out at some point to buy some drills. I blunted all the ones I have. When will I ever learn that drilling steel above a certain thickness is not a good idea. If I can come up with an easier way of making the weights I will take the easier option.

Yesterday wasn't a waste of time though because I spent time simulating some things and I came up with a theory as to what the prime mover may be.

I believe I have said this a few times on this thread already but at the risk of sounding like my parrot Buddy I will state it again just to clarify things.

If you have been following the thread from the start you will know that my wheel creates an inverted pendulum but it only creates it when the blue lever weight is at a certain critical weight.

Once that weight is applied the question then becomes can the mechanisms themselves still successfully overbalance and can they do it in the right place as in my latest video’s? So I will propose a hypothetical situation. Lets say that I have been right to take this approach all the way down the line. Everything I have done is correct but there is an ingredient missing from the cake. That ingredient could only be called the prime mover.

In this thread I have already strongly hinted that the prime mover could be a weight shifting mechanism. As I work on this machine I keep being brought back to the same thing time and again.

Yesterday I had another thought as to what form this weight shifting mechanism should take and today I will be trying to get some answers to see if that mechanism can work.
Graham

[Roxaway59]

I’m just going to think out loud for a few mins and put it in a post and hope that no one shouts at me.

It does involve the prime mover and things that Bessler wrote.

First of all I’m not sure that the phrase “connectedness principal” should have been used. To me its a little bit like saying follically challenged instead of just bald. As far as I can make out zusammen gehangten means “together hung”. English speaking people would say “hung together” of course.

One of the ways that I have proposed shifting the weights is by hanging them. Oddly enough when I have tried things like this in WM2D it has gone nuts and its one of the reasons I don’t like simulators. Anyway its just a thought so make of it what you will.
Graham

[Roxaway59]

I've been experimenting quite a bit with various ideas some of which have proved inconclusive at the moment. Some of the simulations seem to indicate that my wheel can work without shifting weights but doing in reality what the simulations show in theory is proving difficult.

Tomorrow I am going to put together a new experiment using shifting weights in a way that I have already shown and written about on this thread and elsewhere. I'm quite hopeful about it because the basic simulations I've done look promising and it works in a similar fashion to the wheel I have talked about but on this one its the weight shifting that creates the pendulum. I hope that I can put it together well enough that it functions as intended because I will make a video if it does.
Graham

[Roxaway59]

Today I spent almost the entire day resetting my wheel so I could experiment with a weight shifting mechanism. The mechanism didn't work as I hoped it would so I went back to doing some simulations. What I keep finding in the simulations is that the original wheel which was the last one I videoed should be able to work with some alterations. I should be able to do these alterations tomorrow. I will make the alterations and what ever happens I will post a video along with an explanation.
Graham

[Roxaway59]

If anyone would like to simulate what I've been looking at then give me a shout and I will put it up in Algodoo which has all sizes and weights and you can try it in WM2D perhaps.
Graham

[Roxaway59]

Spent many hours once again on the mechanism trying to make it as similar to the simulation as possible but once again it didn't work any better than the last video so I decided it was pointless doing one. What I have to do is simulate the same thing in WM2D and see if it behaves the same way. Once I can be sure that it cant work as it is then I can move on to experimenting with other ways of overbalancing the main weight. I have ideas for weight shifting mechanisms that I want to try out and I think these can be simulated to a certain degree which will save time.
Graham

[Roxaway59]

I want to show what I have been attempting today to make it clearer. Here is a screen shot and basic simulation in Algodoo and I will follow it with an explanation.
Graham

[Roxaway59]

You can simulate the wheel turning because the pendulum exists.

Just turn it slightly clockwise then turn the motor off.

You can also simulate the action of the mechanism to the right.

Just release the mechanism and it will fall. Use the motor to turn it 180 degrees until the weights are level and then hold it to take away energy with the motor off then release it and you will see that the blue lever weight once again drops slightly.

This is the action the mechanism needs to make in order for the wheel to work. So at the moment I don't know if Algodoo is at fault or if the wheel can actually work without anything else added. All I can say is that its not giving me that impression yet.
Graham

[Roxaway59]

One thing I forgot to explain is the shape of the mechanism the weights are on. It forms an X shape so that what ever weight is has its always balanced and its only the weights that need to be thought about.
Graham

[Roxaway59]

I've been up till the early hours thinking about this and running simulations and I have an idea about this I will try out later on.
Graham

[Roxaway59]

Spent time since the last post experimenting with different weights and positions on my wheel but once again the results are inconclusive so I went back to simulations in both Algodoo and WM2D. Both of them seem to indicate that the wheel can work without anything added so what I need is other forum members to verify what I am seeing. It looks like its a very close thing and I don’t like that because it usually means that a wheel is heading towards equilibrium but I cant be sure at this stage so that’s why I need others to verify it. I will post the simulations along with an explanation.

[Roxaway59]

The best way to do it in Algodoo is to see the wheel operate first by moving it around slightly with the motor then turning the motor off. When looking at the mechanism to the right just bear in mind how it has to drop on each side of the wheel and use the motor to put it into position before turning it off. WM2D is similar but on my old version its difficult to use. Can forum members let me know what you see.
Graham

[Fletcher]

Hi Rox .. I downloaded your WM file - first thing I noticed was gravity set to 2.807 m/s^2 when it should be 9.807 m/s^ but shouldn't make any real difference .. I also noticed the masses were tiny so upped them by a factor of 10 ..

I will put some controls into it etc and put it up here for you to download, and explain what I did ..

NY's eve here so won't get back to you for a bit ..

Soon as I can - cheers

[Roxaway59]

Hi Fletcher, thanks for that I look forward to hearing about what you find. I don't know how gravity got left that way I will have to be more careful. All the best for New Year.
Graham