agor95 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:39 pm
Hello Graham [Roxaway59]
Roxaway59 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 9:32 pm
Are you planning on building something like this?
I have held back doing any physical builds from 2008. I did create a known failure model MT125 to keep myself distracted.
That helped too check I had some skills in building a model.
From then I have been learning skills to assist in the pursuit of 'The Quest'.
The evidence of that is seen here from time to time and on my supporting web site.
Doing a Physical build is only an option when you have done the ground work.
Now I have done that and a Physical Build [prototype] has been built.
To address the current posts on this thread.
I think it is best not to make statements declaring a physical builds state, but to guide readers towards a line of investigation.
Those who do will come to a better understanding on the validity of the physical build for themselves.
Hopefully they will be looking at their own device.
This will give that person a feeling of achievement and another person will know Journey's End
In this way we prevent the events of the past repeating.
P.S. Journey's End is the beginning for what we learned could be translated to other forms of energy transfers.
Regards
Did you do an MT 125 build? Can we see it?
p.s., As Alan Bauldree has said, all builds are known failures unless it works. That is how he teaches. You are a failure.
Prove him wrong.
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As ab hammer said, people have to prove themselves while he and his friends don't have to show their work.
He's a "real" American and I'm 1/2 Norwegian. Notice the difference? The "reaL" American makes the rules and
everyone follows.
Of course as AB Hammer aka Jubat, Alan bauldree, etc. has proven, Bessler's clues can mean anything so any
effort is at a working invention which could be worth money. And as he said, weebles wobble but wheels don't roll over; https://besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopi ... ver#p51136
Why do people care what he says? He's not 1/2 Norwegian. Bye Alan.
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Sam, if you show us a runner, i can give you my word, i will build the same thing, as long as i am capable of doing so.
It will not get brushed under a metaphorical carpet, because there are too many people who will understand that you have found the answer, and they will replicate it.
If you tell us you have a runner, but don't show us how it works, and ask me to build one, I'll tell you to sod off. But i am pretty sure that you wouldn't do that, so it doesn't really apply.
My only hope, is that someone finds the solution before i am no longer here to know that i didn't waste my life, believing a nonsense theory like the Flat Earthers.
God love you Robinhood!! That's the best news I've gotten in a long time. That would make a difference, it really would. I think I'm getting closer but, who knows--------------Sam
Hi Sam / Robinhood46, if one you or anyone else makes a working wheel we should all replicate it to give proof that it is real. Then we can all work at fine tuning the principal and make the best design possible. We may even find that we can move closer and closer to true perpetual motion. That is a really exciting prospect in my opinion.
Graham
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "We may even find that we can move closer and closer to true perpetual motion."
If someone has a runner, this means that they have a wheel that turns all by itself. The most probable source of the energy making it turn, will be coming from gravity, as Bessler explained when describing how his wheel worked.
Are you saying gravity being the source of the excess energy isn't "true PM"?
Hi Robinhood46, I know it sounds a bit odd but some people don't regard things that wear out as being perpetual. So they wouldn't regard a working wheel with a typical bearing and other contact parts as being perpetual. In your book and in my book it would but not in theirs.
I wouldn't pay too much attention to people who use the argument that, because this or that part of a perpetual motion machine will wear out, it isn't perpetual motion.
Perpetual motion is not a thing, it's a principal.
A machine doesn't need to move until the end of time to have the principal of perpetual motion, it just needs to turn of it's own steam, or supply itself with the force that causes it to move.
If a machine not turning until the end of time was a valid argument to prove PM to be impossible, there would be no need whatsoever to even discuss any other aspect of motion. We wouldn't need to be concerned about any laws of physics or any form of resistance, it would be considered such a stupid question, it wouldn't even be worth discussing it.
A perpetual motion machine doesn't even need to turn for 5 seconds to be a true perpetual motion machine, it just needs to have a mechanism that would cause it to turn eternally once put in motion.
It is simply a hypothetical scenario that a mechanism would cause eternal movement. It has nothing to do with the resistance of the materials and their ability to withstand the effects of time.
I look at it this way. Once the principal has been found it makes sense to make the best machine possible that doesn't require a lot of servicing. It may turn out that long lasting friction-less bearings can be used and then who knows how long it would turn before servicing.
Graham, I agree with Robinhood,
Sure 50 years or so for a machine, would be great. But, I say forget perpetual. What would you do? Have some one squirt some oil on it every million years. What would be the sense of it---Sam
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Once you've found the solution Sam, i'm gonna focus on inventing a time machine.
I will go forward 14 billion years, and if your wheel isn't still going round on it's own i'll declare it a failure.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but i don't think it will be going round.
I also think time travel is impossible, so if all goes to plan, i will not be able to prove that you machine wont turn for 14 billion years and you can benefit from the doubt.
Sam I am not that much of a perfectionist. I am merely pointing out something that is inevitable and people will do it. Not because it is completely necessary because I agree with both you and Robinhood46, they will do it because it is there.
Graham
If I had a working wheel providing me with energy and I had to change the bearings every 6 months I would be more than happy. Don't forget though that what ever energy you get from the machine has to be ideally a lot more than the energy it takes to replace its parts.
Graham
