AP Wheel within Wheel
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New Year Update 2024
Hi All
It has been a hard work getting skilled in this new maths.
I know where I want to go but I also want to be able to present the investigation properly.
That has always been the problem.
Regards
It has been a hard work getting skilled in this new maths.
I know where I want to go but I also want to be able to present the investigation properly.
That has always been the problem.
Regards
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Johann Bessler Energy Source
Hi All
I have been suffering a really grotty flue. One sleepless night and another feverish day in bed; sweeting the bug out of me.
I am not over weight so being weaker in not a problem.
However I had a Lucid Dream. So realistic as such dreams are with the source in-front of me.
The engineering drawings of how too implement this new energy source and how to explain it to others.
Then the elephant sat on the drawings! could have been worse.
So I am delirious or maybe a pachyderm equivalent Dumbobum.
Alas I came out before seeing if the pachyderm left with the plans.
Regards
I have been suffering a really grotty flue. One sleepless night and another feverish day in bed; sweeting the bug out of me.
I am not over weight so being weaker in not a problem.
However I had a Lucid Dream. So realistic as such dreams are with the source in-front of me.
The engineering drawings of how too implement this new energy source and how to explain it to others.
Then the elephant sat on the drawings! could have been worse.
So I am delirious or maybe a pachyderm equivalent Dumbobum.
Alas I came out before seeing if the pachyderm left with the plans.
Regards
Last edited by agor95 on Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:59 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Johann Bessler Energy Source
Hi All
Right I am out of that horrible bug. I am going to use a mask for a while.
One flue after another is not fun.
"Johann Bessler Energy Source" is a sop for followers of the 'Laws of Thermodynamics'.
I have nothing against the Laws in general or Newtonian Laws of Kinematics.
They just stop people seeing beyond them; There is a beyond.
Regards
Right I am out of that horrible bug. I am going to use a mask for a while.
One flue after another is not fun.
"Johann Bessler Energy Source" is a sop for followers of the 'Laws of Thermodynamics'.
I have nothing against the Laws in general or Newtonian Laws of Kinematics.
They just stop people seeing beyond them; There is a beyond.
Regards
Last edited by agor95 on Sat Mar 02, 2024 12:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Physical Guild
Hi to those interested view
I am working on the assembly phase.
Glue does not like the metal to wood interface.
I started with light 'weights'. I expect it will need a little more mass.
There is impact like torque in the system.
So finding a way to lock the pivots firmly is the task at hand.
P.S. Woodruff is the method being investigated.
I am working on the assembly phase.
Glue does not like the metal to wood interface.
I started with light 'weights'. I expect it will need a little more mass.
There is impact like torque in the system.
So finding a way to lock the pivots firmly is the task at hand.
P.S. Woodruff is the method being investigated.
Last edited by agor95 on Fri Mar 15, 2024 10:18 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Physical Build
Hi to those interested view
Well I have taken the actions in my previous post.
These devices are dangerous!
It's good my device is table top.
There is an ongoing wish for it to rip itself apart.
I can see why the wooden Buzzsaw body smashed through the barn wall.
And the device to power a cart killed the driver.
Regards
Well I have taken the actions in my previous post.
These devices are dangerous!
It's good my device is table top.
There is an ongoing wish for it to rip itself apart.
I can see why the wooden Buzzsaw body smashed through the barn wall.
And the device to power a cart killed the driver.
Regards
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Re: Physical Build
One can see that when the barn has floorboards rather than earthen floor.
Also why Bessler wheel was fixed to the floor and ceiling in some cases.
Regards
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Re: Physical Build
Hi to the interested few
I am musing on building a micro-version of this design.
Due to the smaller size and reduced stresses the build will be less complex and will not take a persons eye out.
It has been observed that such an implementation will have relatively more non-conservative forces [friction]
than a larger design.
However adding more mass or size increases complexity and lethality. Anyone building with long handles axes as pendulums?
Regards
I am musing on building a micro-version of this design.
Due to the smaller size and reduced stresses the build will be less complex and will not take a persons eye out.
It has been observed that such an implementation will have relatively more non-conservative forces [friction]
than a larger design.
However adding more mass or size increases complexity and lethality. Anyone building with long handles axes as pendulums?
Regards
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Re: [ No Way 'Ezekiel' ]
Hello TTIF
The design was built but it fell apart. I was thinking of pulling it to pieces and reusing the wood!
In effect 'Doing a Bessler'.
Anyway not wanting to be oily, suck up & tacky I did the only other thing possible.
So I oiled that could be oiled and glued anything that could be glued.
It's drying so no tackiness will be around in a day or so.
One good thing from this is the weights can be reduce as the arms move more freely.
With the reduction of weights there is less stress on the rotating frame and stand.
I will make the stand more sturdy and place a hold so it can be clamped down.
Then I will be able to get away from it while it's on motion.
Regards
The Quote above takes you to the illustration. Just click of the up arrow on the first quote line.
The design was built but it fell apart. I was thinking of pulling it to pieces and reusing the wood!
In effect 'Doing a Bessler'.
Anyway not wanting to be oily, suck up & tacky I did the only other thing possible.
So I oiled that could be oiled and glued anything that could be glued.
It's drying so no tackiness will be around in a day or so.
One good thing from this is the weights can be reduce as the arms move more freely.
With the reduction of weights there is less stress on the rotating frame and stand.
I will make the stand more sturdy and place a hold so it can be clamped down.
Then I will be able to get away from it while it's on motion.
Regards
Last edited by agor95 on Sat Apr 20, 2024 7:53 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: [ No Way 'Ezekiel' ]
Hello TTIF
I am opening this topic to any interested builders who are dabbling with this idea.
I recommend 5 arms.
The key points of information are as fallows
1. Number of arms; hopefully 5
2. Length [mm] of arm from hub axis to pivot point on the end of the arm.
3. Theta, Phi & Omega angles [radians] of arm end pivot.
Theta is in the same plane as the hub axis. Phi is perpendicular to Theta. Omega is the angle around the radial of the arm.
The right hand rule applies.
4. Length [mm] of the secondary arms to their centre of mass.
5. Actual Length [mm] of secondary arms.
Good Searching.
I am opening this topic to any interested builders who are dabbling with this idea.
I recommend 5 arms.
The key points of information are as fallows
1. Number of arms; hopefully 5
2. Length [mm] of arm from hub axis to pivot point on the end of the arm.
3. Theta, Phi & Omega angles [radians] of arm end pivot.
Theta is in the same plane as the hub axis. Phi is perpendicular to Theta. Omega is the angle around the radial of the arm.
The right hand rule applies.
4. Length [mm] of the secondary arms to their centre of mass.
5. Actual Length [mm] of secondary arms.
Good Searching.
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Re: AP Wheel within Wheel
Hello TTIF
I am finishing off my second device of the 21st century and fabricating my third.
Lifting the weights is not the problem. Keeping the kinetic swing as the device turns is the main factor.
P.S. It is no wonder Bessler fixed the frame to the flour and ceiling.
Regards
I am finishing off my second device of the 21st century and fabricating my third.
Lifting the weights is not the problem. Keeping the kinetic swing as the device turns is the main factor.
P.S. It is no wonder Bessler fixed the frame to the flour and ceiling.
Regards
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Re: [ No Way 'Ezekiel' ]
Hello TTIF
I wonder if Bessler but a clue on this point.
Regards
It appears the ration of the arm lengths of the primary and secondary arms should be the 6th item in the list.
I wonder if Bessler but a clue on this point.
Regards
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Re: [ No Way 'Ezekiel' ]
Hello TTIF
This is the latch disc inspired by a combination of the AP wheel and the 12 points in MT137.
You will notice the grove is biased and not cut at 90 degrees to the surface.
Also I have decommissioned the physical build posted on the 22nd August 2023 shown on page 6.
Regards
This is the latch disc inspired by a combination of the AP wheel and the 12 points in MT137.
You will notice the grove is biased and not cut at 90 degrees to the surface.
Also I have decommissioned the physical build posted on the 22nd August 2023 shown on page 6.
Regards
Last edited by agor95 on Thu May 23, 2024 1:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: AP Wheel within Wheel
I understand you now. Not anywhere near what I thought you were doing. Maybe you can explain why it needs to be a disc?
What goes around, comes around.
Re: AP Wheel within Wheel
HI daxwc
I am posting a reply to you in the 'Tool Kit' Thread.
The ratchet bearings used in the decommissioned device stated above were greased, highly engineered and costly.
Where weight and stress were present then they could be justified.
My aim has been an easy too replicate, small light, low stress proof of concept device.
So the bearings are metal through wood with no grease.
The ratchet function is replace by the above component.
Regards
I am posting a reply to you in the 'Tool Kit' Thread.
The ratchet bearings used in the decommissioned device stated above were greased, highly engineered and costly.
Where weight and stress were present then they could be justified.
My aim has been an easy too replicate, small light, low stress proof of concept device.
So the bearings are metal through wood with no grease.
The ratchet function is replace by the above component.
Regards
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