Curious Questions

[Jonathan]

Well we know Bessler's wheels had springs in them. It could be possible with a spring or magnet because they allow energy to be stored in a non-material potential form. If you store energy in a spring, it doesn't change the balance or lack thereof in the wheel. If you store it in increased height of weights, then weights at different parts of the cycle will have different heights, causing a torque differential that will most likely cancel the working principle (if it would have worked with springs that is).

[jim_mich]

Whether or not we can make a gravity wheel, depends soley on whether gravity is a conservative force or not. If gravity is conservative then a gravity wheel is not possible. But if gravity is a continuiously replenishing source of energy, then a wheel can be made. If you had a steady wind blowing at you it would appear as a conservative force. It takes the same energy to move into the wind as is given back when blown backwards. A waterfall is another example. In both cases if you did not know better you might think they are conservative forces and that you can only get back the energy that you put in. Gravity is like a steady wind or a steady waterfall. The reason wind, water and gravity exert force is because there is more of "something" flowing in one direction than is flowing in the reverse direction.

Now try to imagine a wind that blows from all directions at once. The net result would be calm. Even if you had a 50 MPH wind at your face, the 50 MPH wind at your back would cancel it out. But if you where to place a large object (think house or earth) to one side of you blocking the flow, you would then be pressured against that object. This is just how gravity works. Gravity is flowing in all directions and when the earth blocks some of this flow, the higher pressure above pushes things down to the earth.

If gravity is some type of curve in time or whatever, then gravity would be conservative and can not be be a source of energy and can only store and give up energy. But if gravity is a continiously flowing ___________ (here we lack a word to describe it, I like the term Ether Energy) and is not conservative, then we should be able to harness it for all our energy needs.

[John Collins]

I like that Jim_Mich! You're saying what I've been saying for years but I think you put it better.

I like to think of gravity as if it were a thick "gel" flowing down a big channel and carrying everything in its path along with it, except for the things that are fixed to the side or floor of the channel. Yes it will carry things with it and bypass those it can't move, but those it moves do not detract from its energy because there is a constant stream of "gel" flowing behind the front. If you force anything back upstream and then release it the "gel" carries it along with it again, with no diminution of energy.

I, too have argued that wind can be described as a conservative force at times and yet that can move windmills..

John C.

[murilo]

I like to this board. Suddenly come to light a lot of so many precious and free thinking, thing people just censure and/or don't feel confident to say in other common sites.
The bigger mistery I heard in all FE discussion is about that famous ''conservative gravity'' , and none could explain well to me this such ''conservance''.
After some time expended, now I feel free to say by myself, that gravity is not conservative.
Conservative (more or less, and in all scale) is the *resistance* to the gravity action, or effect.
Take two mellons, put one over floor and hold to the other in a hand.
In a few minutes you will see, alived and clearly, to WHAT ARE THE COSTS for that ''conservation'' behavior of gravity on the floor.
Gravity is where the mass is not, what means, gravity is the vacuum of the solid bodies. This vacuum tends to aglomerate and to complete the mass body.
The tendency to this aglomeration is the ''fall effect'' we see.
If we let to fall a body, and if there is no resistance or obstacle to it, it will fall to the center of earth. This is impossible, in practice, because the center of earth is already ''full' and surrounded of solids. As I said before, it's very confortable to think that the center of our planet is a ''small black hole'' full obstructed.
And (just to remember) I do believe in FE throughout gravity, intelligence and geometry. Time will say. Regs. M. mar/12

[MrTim]

Well we know Bessler's wheels had springs in them. It could be possible with a spring or magnet because they allow energy to be stored in a non-material potential form. If you store energy in a spring, it doesn't change the balance or lack thereof in the wheel. If you store it in increased height of weights, then weights at different parts of the cycle will have different heights, causing a torque differential that will most likely cancel the working principle (if it would have worked with springs that is).

I would be leery about that spring thing. It would take you as much energy to 'store' it in the spring as you would get 'out' when it's released. In other words, it's going to be a 'wash'. From what I perceive in the eyewitness descriptions, it sounds like Bessler was placing/removing retaining clips for the weights. And if you must play with springs, I recommend leaf springs.....

[racer270]

(1) a and b (2) a

[Joel Wright]

1.A,b and then some. 2. Variable leveraged,spring assisted,gravity triggered pendulum's limited to 30 degree arc,applying impact to inside of rotatable flywheel..............................................................................................As for springs I like spring wire,because its round and fairly easy to shape (leaf,coil or original mother of necessity)and fasten to work pieces.

[joppa]

Joel.....you are getting it!

I would have to say B-A:

B) Bessler himself, you know....the 'genius' whose hard work and sweat 'finally payed off', gave credit to the Creator. Plus, in my view it may likely have been divine intervention that kept the super simple principle that made Bessler's wheel work, from being revealed for so long in the first place......and so too, it's later revelation. There is a time for everything, they say. For those that don't subscribe to Divine inspiration....is it because your subscription ran out and it proved too 'costly' for you to renew? Or is it that such an idea, on the face of it, seems even more problematic than the idea of 'perpetual motion'? A learned man named Howard Johnson once said something to the effect: "I don't know how the electrons of an atom got started spinning, and I don't know how to stop them, do you?" The day one figures out the answer to that question....is the day that one may indeed find it a bit too late to subscribe to Divine inspiration....... and the only thing left to read, all the 'back issues' free for the taking.


A) The man at the carnival swings the large mallet, but it will not cause the bell to ring, shall it? Not unless he swings with all of his might, and in the sweet spot will he then get it right. Or what would happen if you switched mallet for puck? For this you will certainly need more than luck! For if the mallet weighed say....4 times more than the puck, You'd nary budge it, then you'd be stuck...... ;^)






What is being demonstrated if you take a weight at the end of a spring and hold the spring out parallel to a level plane and released the weight so that it were caught right at the bottom of it's fall.......and then you flipped it over with the weight back where it was originally and released the catch, this time over a lever and fulcrum arrangement with a heavier weight at one end? For one thing, that gravity stored as potential energy and then released as kinetic energy in line with the pull of gravity can produce an interesting result.....

[John Lindsay]

1.What do you mean by divine vision? All things in the universe are connected. "Experience" is by invitation, not intrusion. Our race mainly uses the Dictates of the intellect and ego as identity at the moment. Other avenues of perception are always available. He probably used a combination of intellect and inner information. 2. The mechanism operates on a combination of gravity and centrifugal force. John

[Michael]

John L.
> 1.What do you mean by divine vision?

I left that up to individual interpretation.

>All things in the universe are connected.

Connected by what? What means? And why is this important?

>"Experience" is by invitation, not intrusion.

Huh?

>Our race mainly uses the Dictates of the intellect and ego as identity at the moment. Other avenues of perception are always available.

All energy requires mass. It is important to note that mass is individual-and this is important. Mass=ego. Singularity, individuality. There is always ego, or else you would have no awarness at all.


>He probably used a combination of intellect and inner information.

What's really the difference, and sure, but was he spoken to by a "god" as a few like to think?

How's the liberator wheel going? What are you doing now?

Mike

[Joel Wright]

Hi Joppa......Have you seen Joel Wright's idea's in the Community Buzz section of this site?

[John Lindsay]

Michael wassuppp...Instead of going through your questions let me say that we are multidimensional beings that have the ability to be in many different experiences at "once", time and space being constructs for actualization of certain types of experience. This is akin to what the Universal Mind did-An Entity that has also individualized itself into many. Some of these adventures are humanoid, others are not. Why do we do this?, because it is Interesting and to attain a certain degree of proficiency at creating an everchanging "personality", (you are Much more than a personality by the way) dealing with emotions, manipulating physical reality. Five senses perceptions is a small part of the picture and the intellect along with a overzealous ego with it's rigid idea of stability gives a rather convincing argument of an incomplete view of reality. You need an ego or benchmark for identity, but not a tyrant. In other words you chose to be here like a creation of an artist (you) and got stuck in the painting and can only see things from a "stuck in the canvas" point of view having forgotten how to back away from your drawing. There are other means of awareness of your place in the universe and how it works, you are just not using them at the moment. Gotta run John

[Jonathan]

What?

[jim_mich]

Very good John Lindsay, very good indeed. You are an enlightened one.

[Michael]

Hi John,

Looks like you may have been reading a little bit of Seth. Am I right? Might be a little to long to go into right now, I have my opinions on that info. maybe later.

Cheers.

Mike