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[thx4]

Je pense que nous savons au moins autant que toi que cela ne marchera pas, quelques milliards à le savoir, donc soit tu sais et tu nous montres...
A la différence de toi, je sais que la réflexion ne suffira pas, elle n'amènera jamais au résultat..., seul un petit détail qui jusqu'à présent nous échappe, va peut-être éclairer le cerveau de certains, à condition d'en avoir un. 🤣

Dis moi par exemple sur le MT 135 pourquoi c'est abruti de B nous a fait des trous carrés dans l'axe...?
Dis moi aussi pourquoi il dit que ce sont des poids spéciaux...?
Je confirme que tu ne sais rien.

I think we know at least as well as you do that it won't work, a few billion of us do, so either you know or you show us.
Unlike you, I know that thinking will not be enough, it will never lead to the result..., only a small detail that so far escapes us, will perhaps enlighten the brains of some, provided we have one. 🤣

Tell me, for example, on MT 135 why that jerk B made us square holes in the axis...?
Tell me too why he says these are special weights...?
I can confirm that you know nothing.

[johannesbender]

@general An interesting thing i noticed is - most of MT was unidirectional , perhaps no happenstance that B's first runner was unidirectional , and perhaps no coincidence that the bidirectional runner increased in thickness too , lately i have been wondering why.

[Sam Peppiatt]

FWEIW,
The wooden hubs of old wagon wheels had square, (a little bit rectangle), holes for the spokes. Maybe he was copying them. I know, no one likes the Ring & Rollers but at least it doesn't cost any thing to lift them; the weights back up. Also, they can shift in on the up side and out on the down side and never get bottom heavy. I don't think any thing else can do that.

I say forget Tarsier. You can't tell him any thing. I know, I've tried----------------Sam

[johannesbender]

what i would say i noticed about that MT is a cylinder/drum like that would have to be quite broad to accommodate all the bars going through the center , i dont know why it would need an axle all the way through it though.

thx asks why square holes , my obvious guess - alignment .

[johannesbender]

Done with another mechanism , i will have to mount on a base and axle , and finish some things , and see .

[thx4]

https://fb.watch/vGU7D65RxZ/

If it helps :)

[Tarsier79]

An interesting thing i noticed is - most of MT was unidirectional

Is it? I think most of MT can be made to be bidirectional, depending on where the lift occurs.

[thx4]

https://youtu.be/EqXxUnzjo4M

If it helps :)

[johannesbender]

Finished testing , there was good and bad results , first issue was whilst i designed it very accurately on my pc i obviously would have had to be content with a certain amount of inaccuracy in the real test , this inaccuracy has led to the cog not being exactly where the design's cog was , because of this and the fact that i did no lifting - i could not manage to get the swing to reach 6 o'clock with enough momentum .

I would actually have liked the cog to have been higher - such that the cog sits behind the mechanism "pushing" it down , instead of the cog being in front "pulling" the mechanism down to 6 , because this would have the cog reach 6 before the mechanism does , so the cog reaches 6 before a reset would happen - therefore the mechanism reaches 6 with way less push/velocity/momentum than i would want it too .

Certain results i was looking for were positive .
The reset was indeed quite easy - which i tested with my hands because i did not include the mechanics for this in the test as i thought i would keep it bare bones simplistic , the amount of resistance i felt through the reset is not worth the mention because the weights are balanced when at the correct location.
One weight was more affective (although not much) to the torque whilst the other weight was less affective as counter torque , as it was designed too.
Weights were kept at the same radius at all times , this might have been off by a little due to inaccuracy.
There was no lift intended in this design at reset - and this was the case in the test too but it would have had to reset very quick and at a specific time to avoid lift .

When forced to go in the wrong direction the swing would carry enough momentum past the point where the reset would have happened with enough momentum imo that the reset would have been possible , however the cog in the wrong direction has to travel over the axle (lift).

I think i mentioned everything , i may have missed or forgotten some points i wanted to write down , except for the cog being off the rest of the test went great , since the goal was to test certain aspects and see if it did as i designed it , i now know what the facts are if i were to expand this concept or drop it .

[johannesbender]

This was the concept i tested , it was about swapping the direction of the flaps/tabs , both of them were to be the same mass and at the same radius so that the weights would be in balance at the same distances from the center .

One were 90 degrees to the other such that one would offset the cog to the side and the other would become irrelevant to torque whilst being at the same distance.
One was to turn to the side and the other would turn to the front/back for a reset along the horizontal through the vertical axis .

At the time of coming up with this i wanted to have some mechanisms on those tabs , but before doing a simple build to test i thought i will just stick to weights to keep it simple and see how much momentum i could get at 6 .

These are animated gifs..

This was a sim to see if it had torque before i made a simple real test.

[johannesbender]

This is what stood out in Besslers work to me after getting the previous idea.

As many know and john collins pointed out bessler pseudonym was made by replacing the letters in his name by 13 places in the alphabet .
What i saw is bessler can be swapped to orffyre and orfyrre can be swapped to bessler (via 13 letters counting up or down).

And if you go to to MT13 you find the image is backwards , what i saw was to fix it you have to swap it around the vertical.

And as John Collins pointed out too , the rhyming scheme in AP starts with AABB , then changes to ABAB in chapter 55 .
What i saw is A and B swapped.

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Okay then ,in the TP as we know we have to hammermen toys swapping places and directions , but what i saw too was the spinning top if you were to imagine it being a axis and you spin the hammermen along that axis , they will go about swapping .

And i then saw the JL toy has a front view and side view as though it was shown to you from the front and then turned to the side along the vertical axis and as you know the JL appears to swap places as they fall down .


The SB is the one that seems out of place though , it shows no form of swapping , but my point is this swapping theme seems to be something he was proud of and included in his name and in MT and in the TP and in AP.

ETA. some of the images needs to be clicked on to animate...

[daxwc]

JB your rotating Hammermen really emphasis how much the anvil in the middle is spinning and moving back and forth in the X plane.

"Perhaps God will allow you to invent it, and fathom the mystery of true motive power." -Johann Bessler AP

[Robinhood46]

This was the concept i tested , it was about swapping the direction of the flaps/tabs , both of them were to be the same mass and at the same radius so that the weights would be in balance at the same distances from the center .

One were 90 degrees to the other such that one would offset the cog to the side and the other would become irrelevant to torque whilst being at the same distance.

I'm not quite sure what you mean there JB.
The distance from the centre changes when they swivel, and they shift the COG 180°, more or less (minus the effect of one getting closer and the other getting further), every time they swivel.

[johannesbender]

This was the concept i tested , it was about swapping the direction of the flaps/tabs , both of them were to be the same mass and at the same radius so that the weights would be in balance at the same distances from the center .

One were 90 degrees to the other such that one would offset the cog to the side and the other would become irrelevant to torque whilst being at the same distance.

I'm not quite sure what you mean there JB.
The distance from the centre changes when they swivel, and they shift the COG 180°, more or less (minus the effect of one getting closer and the other getting further), every time they swivel.

RH the radius never changes , well until had build it and had accuracy issues haha , but anyway its not a runner , it was just the testing of a concept which i thought was quite interesting and had some positives , although i would say it needs a lift to work.

ATM i am looking at something else too.

[johannesbender]

JB your rotating Hammermen really emphasis how much the anvil in the middle is spinning and moving back and forth in the X plane.

"Perhaps God will allow you to invent it, and fathom the mystery of true motive power." -Johann Bessler AP

That is true they are off-center when the hammer men lean , Btw i am not sure the "swapping" word would be fitting , but imo this is something important being shown here (the swap/back and forth/spin/inversion/flip/"something")