Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

[Sam Peppiatt]

Tarsier,
With out a runner or proof of concept you have me over a barrel. You are probably right and probably always will be---------Sam

[spinner361]

Tarsier79, I was not referring to you. Thank you for providing me with correction and pointing out my lack of understanding.

[Tarsier79]

Sam, I might be, but if you don't question and test the status quo, how do you know the accepted story is actually the truth?... And FYI, I don't always even take my own advice or accept my own logic...

Tarsier79, I was not referring to you.

I am sorry if I misinterpreted that. It honestly looked like you were specifically targeting me, and like I say, I am not perfect, proper or always correct.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Tarsier,
I missed that too! I thought he meant you. I had no clue, (I guess he meant me). Sure, I can elaborate a little. I have to go to Sacramento; I'll get back to you-----------------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

Hi Tarsier,
Back, back from the river. I have no idea where to start-----------maybe the lifting is as good of a place as any. First off you have to let go of the old ideas of parodically lifting and than falling weights. The Ring & Rollers,(R&Rs), are very close to a pendulum, not exactly the same, but close. By comparing them to a pendulum should help to understand how they work.

To repeat, understanding a pen. will help to understand the R&Rs. They act almost exactly the same way, but, better In that they can lift them selves all the way back up to the top of the wheel, unlike a pendulum,(they don't have to reset part way). Also, like a pendulum they are or can be perfectly balanced as the wheel turns. When they, the rollers, are centered on there rings. The rollers follow the wheel faithfully, much the same as a pend. does.

A pendulum pivots on a pin, the rollers instead, roll inside of the pin. It's like the ring is a giant hollow pin, with the roller inside of it. A pend. can hang far below the axle and still be balanced so can the rollers.

Do you see Tarsier? That's how the lift is done, exactly the same as a pendulum. I'm dead; will continue tomorrow-------------------Sam

[Tarsier79]

They act almost exactly the same way..

Agreed

but, better In that they can lift them selves all the way back up to the top of the wheel, unlike a pendulum,(they don't have to reset part way).

OK, you might need to explain what you mean here.

Also, like a pendulum they are or can be perfectly balanced as the wheel turns. When they, the rollers, are centered on there rings. The rollers follow the wheel faithfully, much the same as a pend. does.

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When your roller does work, work is also done on the roller. It is much heavier, so its movement is much smaller, but its negative effects will be equal to any positive effects. So although it looks free, it actually isn't. As your "wheel" rotates CW, your roller will roll inside its track slightly lagging, and this lag will increase whenever a load appears on the roller/s.

Whenever a pendulum, or a roller does work, ie lifting a weight, they are pushed backwards against rotation. This creates an equal negative torque on the wheel.