The Wheel is solved in a New Norwegian Patent

[daxwc]

Well the forum was nice and quiet since the last Norwegian left. You should get together with him Frog he built lots of stuff maybe he lives near by. Then you can post us pictures and a video ;)

[SHADOW]

Desolé Grenouille, je suis septique quant à votre concept de roue unique!
Se que vous enmagasinez d'un coté pour impulser la roue vous le perdez de l'autre coté pour entretenir l'éffet de pendule.
Si vous parliez d'enmagasiner l'energie, récupéré du flux gravitaire unidirectionel, pour le transformer en energie cinétique accumulée, plus maléable à l'utilisation, alors il vous faut deux roues indépendantes!
La roue d'accumulation doit servir d'élément de puisage comme un barillet à ressort d'horloge.
La roue d'impulsion doit charger la roue d'accumulation comme sur une montre à remontage automatique.
Les gravures de roue présentées par Bessler en sont le principe à mon avis!
Mais je peut me tromper!!
Votre idée de départ reste interessante.

Sorry Frog, I am skeptical about your one-wheel concept!
If you store on one side to drive the wheel you lose it on the other side to maintain the pendulum.
If you were talking about storing energy, recovered from unidirectional gravity flow, to transform it into accumulated kinetic energy, more maleable to use, then you need two independent wheels!
The accumulation wheel shall serve as a draw-in element such as a clock spring barrel.
The pulse wheel must load the accumulation wheel as on a self-winding watch.
The wheel engravings presented by Bessler are the principle in my opinion!
but I can be wrong!
Your initial idea remains interesting.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Frog,
I think I'm catching on to your "Ideals". Sorry, I'm a little slow to learn. I.E., you impart energy to the pendulum, then the kinetic energy in the pendulum, drives the wheel. With gravity having no effect, right?

Hears what you should do; mount the wheel HOROZANTALY, which would, as much as possible, eliminate any effects from the force of gravity. Maybe you should present your patent in the same way. That way you could show that gravity isn't an issue.

I think you should try it though. It's the best way----------------------Sam

[sparkshade]

Hey la grenouille, show us your physical wheel, you cannot tell reality how it should behave ;)

[sparkshade]

Frog,
I think I'm catching on to your "Ideals". Sorry, I'm a little slow to learn. I.E., you impart energy to the pendulum, then the kinetic energy in the pendulum, drives the wheel. With gravity having no effect, right?

Hears what you should do; mount the wheel HOROZANTALY, which would, as much as possible, eliminate any effects from the force of gravity. Maybe you should present your patent in the same way. That way you could show that gravity isn't an issue.

I think you should try it though. It's the best way----------------------Sam

XD

[Frog]

Hi Frog,
I have only skimmed this thread, because i am naturally repelled by claims of success. I have fooled myself so many times over the years, and thousands of others have too, that the probability you have fooled yourself is very high, very very high. In all probability you are fooling yourself.

That being said, you are sharing how you claim to achieve what the rest of us failed to achieve. Which is a huge step up from those who fool themselves, but don't even share how they fooled themselves. They just give us the facts about how it works in their head and demand that we believe them.

I am all for we don't understand something about your work. I accept the possibility that you have found the answer, there are some details we are struggling to comprehend and our bias toward you being fooled by your imagination, is the principal reason.

I haven't read every post, but i have spotted a few comments indicating that you haven't actually got a runner, and it is still just in your head that the wheel goes round.
Can you confirm whether you have a runner, yes or no?
I have no intention to be disrespectful, and i would very much like to give you the benefit of the doubt, but we need to know clearly what it is we are talking about. Are we talking about the wheel you have that is PM works, or are we talking about how the wheel you think is PM works?

I will bend over backwards, and spend hours on end, as would many other members, to try and understand the faults in my understanding, if you have a runner, but if you don't i will throw you on the heap of other delusional seekers who fool themselves and make unfounded claims of success.

Can you please make it clear what we are talking about Frog. You actually have a runner, or you don't?
I too would like to welcome you to the forum Frog, and please don't think we are all miserable old gits who don't want to believe you, because we do want to believe you, it is just that we can't. We are just fed up with claims of success that are unfounded.
RH46

This is the real problem:
if I show a video it’s fake, and if I say it runs I lies.

You are one of those who believe that it is possible to make this type of machine, in one way or another,
- that alone makes you more intelligent than most people.

- only you can decide if this is the right solution or not -

[sparkshade]

This is the real problem:
if I show a video it’s fake, and if I say it runs I lies.

You are one of those who believe that it is possible to make this type of machine, in one way or another,
- that alone makes you more intelligent than most people.

- only you can decide if this is the right solution or not -

Damn wow. Let's show a drawing then, surely nobody will think I'm a fraud! Shows your lack of judgment.

[Frog]

I have read all in this forum now and - its - something -
I think I will just leave it.
Bye to you all -
- Frog

[Robinhood46]

Frog,
You are not helping yourself here.
We have enough riddles to sort out from over 300 years ago, we don't need more.
Do you have a runner, in the real world or a simulation, or are you sharing your conviction that it would be, if you, or someone else, built it correctly?

[Robinhood46]

I have read all in this forum now and - its - something -
I think I will just leave it.
Bye to you all -
- Frog

I think we all know what that means.

[sparkshade]

I have read all in this forum now and - its - something -
I think I will just leave it.
Bye to you all -
- Frog

Ribbit!

[sparkshade]

I have read all in this forum now and - its - something -
I think I will just leave it.
Bye to you all -
- Frog

Sometimes telling the truth is easier you know...

"Do you have a working wheel? Did you do the maths?"

"No I didn't yet!" - Frog.

See, easy! And just to prove you right or wrong, I'm actually going to spend the time needed to do the work you should've done. Freely.

However, let's see this as an opportunity to new comers, if you have an idea but lack the skills to make them real, I'm here to help you. For a small fee I'm going to test your idea. A wheel like Frog wants to do, I'd do the physical build for a small model for about 500$ usd.

[ArchCalc]

I've studied this attempt and conclude that the purported PM has not been found.
There has to be a ground. If there is a ground, could you please point it out?

[sparkshade]

1 wing out of 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbwNug1u_Bc

[Fletcher]

Sometimes telling the truth is easier you know...

"Do you have a working wheel? Did you do the maths?"

"No I didn't yet!" - Frog.

See, easy! And just to prove you right or wrong, I'm actually going to spend the time needed to do the work you should've done. Freely.

However, let's see this as an opportunity to new comers, if you have an idea but lack the skills to make them real, I'm here to help you. For a small fee I'm going to test your idea. A wheel like Frog wants to do, I'd do the physical build for a small model for about 500$ usd.

I look forward to your build Spark - not because I think we all missed something that Frog didn't ( never thought that ) but to see if it behaves similar to what my sim predicted .. and we can store it away in the memory banks for any future "claims" of this type to remember when needed ..

The point is we gave Frog the benefit of the doubt and kept it civil and polite - up until he wouldn't or couldn't stump up any validation of his claims - and a plus we didn't spend too much time and effort on it, only 2 days + Sparks ..

ETA .. wow, I'm impressed with your work so far Spark, and in double quick time :7)