Zeroing in on Bessler's wheel

[Sam Peppiatt]

Hi Al_ex,
You got me! I said that but, they DON'T, do every thing. They do lift themselves up for free. And they can drive a wheel dam good. A guy called Crazy Dave, was able to get 27 or 28 revaluations on a wheel, by dropping a single pendulum one time. He had it tuned up like a fiddle string. The best I ever got was maybe 10, 10 revs.

Unfortunately, to do that they have to reset. I worked for three years but, couldn't find a way. If there is a way, I don't know how to do it. Maybe you can find a way------------------Sam

ETA Power will be off, PG & E are changing a light pole today.

[Sam Peppiatt]

More details,
Ring diameters 11.5 inches, central roller or prime mover, diameter 8 inches, weight 16 lbs.. Outer rollers,(slave rollers), they do the work of turning the wheel, diameter 4 inches, weight 2.25 lbs. each. Displacement 3 to 4 inches. It makes sense, the prime move,(PM), should be bigger and heavier than what ever it's moving. I don't know why I never thought of that before.

Every thing depends on the clutch holding / keeping the PM centered on it's ring. Not sure what it will do----------------Sam

[Tarsier79]

It makes sense, the prime move,(PM), should be bigger and heavier than what ever it's moving.

Why? specifically in relation to its specific interaction with what it is moving.

[Sam Peppiatt]

Tarsier,
If the center roller is bigger and heavier, it's easier for it to push the little much smaller, outer rollers around---Sam

[SHADOW]

Bonjour Sam,
Quelques essais que j'ai fais avec votre principe!

Hello Sam,
A few tests I did with your principle!

[Sam Peppiatt]

That's it SHADOW!!
That's exactly it. What else can I say; the exact principle of Bessler's wheel, as I see it. A long time ago you asked me about the relationship between the size of the roller and it's ring. I didn't have a clue then but, now I think you have it right. The outer rollers need to be small so they are easy to roll / displace, in the large ring,(s).

The center roller,(PM), needs to be bigger in diameter. This makes it harder for it to roll backwards. Also, heavier makes it harder, to roll backwards and, easier for it to shift the smaller outer rollers. It will still need the clutch,(one way bearing), but it's job then will become a lot easier.

Bessler talked about excess weight, maybe that's what he meant. The prime mover has to be a lot heavier, in order to displace the outer slave rollers. I feel like I should have thought of this a lot sooner, Dam!

Anyway, it should work---------------------Sam

ETA God love you SHADOW!! (It's beautiful!!)

[Sam Peppiatt]

SHADOW, I'm grateful for all your time and consideration. For bringing my ideas to life. For everything---Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

Construction updates,
It only takes one pound to shift one slave roller 3 inches, 2 pounds for 2 of them. Which means I can reduce the main roller / center roller from 16 pounds to 8 pounds. The back stop clutch assy. is working a lot better than I expected it would. There is a clutch arm on each side of the roller, with a one way bearing, on each side of it, on the axle of the roller. The other end of the two arms contact the ring on the center line of it, to prevent it from rolling backwards. It will be translating as the wheel rotates.

Anyway, it will hold what ever the bearings will hold. The roller / prime mover, simply follows the wheel. It can't roll backwards but, can't advance either. Always maintaining the same speed of the wheel. With respect to ground it will appear as though it were stationary----Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

Update,
Clutch NOT working, wheel NOT working, as usual. Still have more to learn-------------------Sam

[thx4]

Hi Sam, you may have heard of it, but take a look at this inspiring creature...

https://youtu.be/--O3msyqHLo?si=dRLDAT6QYHdRtMv6
https://youtu.be/7cCfIDmrsC4?si=9dxIAOMMEURJioHQ
https://www.youtube.com/live/KWhJjt4EMn ... rZpxEBp5aR
https://youtube.com/shorts/g-oqvhhfIzw? ... wD88U_XxpI

[Sam Peppiatt]

tx4,
That's good; I like the hoop that rolls up hill, just what I need-----------------Sam

ETA I see you have fixed the cathedral!! I say you, all of France have done the impossible!!

[thx4]

ETA I see you have fixed the cathedral!! I say you, all of France have done the impossible!!

I'm not a Christian, but I encouraged them, the result is remarkable, and I hope to set foot there next summer.

[Sam Peppiatt]

thx4,
It's not only the building; it's the hard work, the 200 years of hard work,( that it took to build it), that needed to be saved-----------------Sam

[Sam Peppiatt]

Update.
One clutch on the center line won't work. I'll try to incorporate a clutch in each of the outer or slave rollers. Or I should say in there crank shafts. This will shift / displace the rollers to one side; in on the up side and out on the down side, continuously. Which would provide constant torque to the wheel.

Anyway, that's what's supposed to happen. However, not sure what the big center roller,(or so called prime mover), will do. Will it keep shifting the slave rollers, as the wheel rotates------------------Sam

[Tarsier79]

The diagram below shows a balanced system. Even though the giant weight has only moved slightly to the left of the pivot, it is balancing the small weight at the end of the beam.

This also happens in your system Sam. This is the real reason none of your designs have worked.It looks like the large roller hasn't moved from the center much, and you might think it's movement is irrelevant, but it isn't.

Gravity will only push a wheel around if that same rotation would cause the total mass to fall... Does this happen in your design?