Hypothesis .. Raising GPE without using Law of Levers ? ..

[daxwc]

Sorry Fletcher. I didn’t mean for you to make such a long retort. It was simply a statement, more about the Algodoo program, where you can see it is correcting to PE of the object. It was just frustration as to how people expect to find any overunity in a system that is designed to take it out.

Don’t get me wrong it is a great tool.

[Fletcher]

No probs dax -- and a great segue ..

It is exactly why a few of us repeatedly say that the only way to ' beat the system ' is to ' work with the system ' - find a mechanical workaround to physically lift weights and restore GPE of weights on the " cheap " i.e. discounted or next to no " energy " cost of lifting lol ..

I say under my breath " you got to cheat the system to beat the system " ..

[thx4]

Réflexion idéologique 🙂
Je pense qu'il n'y a pas de poids à monter...
A une certaine vitesse ( on suppose des poids en périphérie de la roue), les poids ne pèsent plus rien du tout...
Je pense que c'est compris lol, il suffirait d'un micro-freinage pour voir les poids reprendre le travail, et si la maquette est bien faite, les poids ne pourraient changer de position marquante que d'un coté. Micro-accélération/Micro-freinage. Micro-accélération/Micro-freinage 👽 . Le tout à travers un disque d'insertie qui va plus vite que le moteur de base.

Ideological thinking 🙂
I think there are no weights to mount....
At a certain speed ( we assume weights on the periphery of the wheel), the weights don't weigh anything at all....
I think that's understood lol, it would only take a micro-braking to see the weights take up the work again, and if the model is well made, the weights could only change their prominent position on one side. Micro-acceleration/Micro-braking. Micro-acceleration/Micro-braking 👽All through an insertie disk that goes faster than the basic motor.

[thx4]

:-) actually you are quite funny.
Let me try to explain why the brake is energy.
- when you brake it this way, (by locking the pendulum at the top of the flywheel and turning the flywheel) the cost of lifting the pendulum is the same as if you did it without a flywheel.
When you change the direction of the potential energy and actually - MOVE THE POTENTIAL ENERGY - to the flywheel, the flywheel got longer distance to its axis of its turning point so - it got a higher momentum.
This relationship is between those two potentials - it’s the difference between those two that drives the wheel not gravity.

Ideological thinking 🙂
I think there are no weights to mount....
At a certain speed ( we assume weights on the periphery of the wheel), the weights don't weigh anything at all....
I think that's understood lol, it would only take a micro-braking to see the weights take up the work again, and if the model is well made, the weights could only change their prominent position on one side. Micro-acceleration/Micro-braking. Micro-acceleration/Micro-braking 👽All through an inertie disk that goes faster than the basic motor.

Hi Frog,
I'm following you a bit more but your explanation is a bit long in coming
tell me if what you're thinking is close to what I'm trying to explain in this post above?

[thx4]

sorry little error of direction...
impossible to delete a post !!!