The Wheel is solved in a New Norwegian Patent

[Tarsier79]

Regardless of what Frog says, I would class both designs as stock standard gravity wheels. And there is not much more there than any other design in MT.

When the pendulum is locked at the top and the flywheel is rotated, potential energy builds up in the opposite direction of the rotation. This energy is stored in the system.

....And here is the problem. It takes more energy to rotate the wheel through this quadrant than you will be able to extract.

[Kattla]

Not too long ago, I butted heads with a fraudster on overunity.com. He had a physical demonstration that looked good if you hadn't delved into hydrostatic pressures. He had a design with some measurements. He had some math to back his claim. He had builds ranging from a table-top model to a grain silo sized model, which all needed to be plugged in to "work".

Intresting. I like hydrostatic quite a lot. Did some experiments with it, had some positive results and decided to see if what i learned could be done in mechanical ways.

[sparkshade]

Regardless of what Frog says, I would class both designs as stock standard gravity wheels. And there is not much more there than any other design in MT.

When the pendulum is locked at the top and the flywheel is rotated, potential energy builds up in the opposite direction of the rotation. This energy is stored in the system.

....And here is the problem. It takes more energy to rotate the wheel through this quadrant than you will be able to extract.

Precisely what I'm saying since I've started testing the idea.

[Tarsier79]

SS. Yes. I think Frog has yet to attain the knowledge required to understand that.

Kattia, It usually can. Hydrostatics is just leverage and weight. Most of the time, you don't need complicated pressure math to calculate it. There was another model I liked, but I can't remember the name of it, it was a large submerged barrel with bellows either end that flipped back and forth. It was a no go too.

[Fletcher]

fwiw .. since I've been writing this you guys beat me to it lol ..

This is what Frog is saying ( it has been said before but I will go another round ) ..

He has 2 designs - a one-way wheel single pendulum design of 3 equal spaced pendulums - and a two-way wheel double pendulum design of 3 equal spaced geared double pendulums spring activated to flip position at 9 o'cl rather than swing from inside to outside radius as per the one-way ..

He believes that the wheels are force balanced ( i.e. there is no torque ) in any wheel position or any position the pendulums are relative to their pivot whether locked ( with a lock and/or one-way bearing activated ) or free to hang below their pivots - he also believes that for a CCW wheel when the pend bobs pass tdc and lock the bob is at its smallest radius from the axle - since they can not freely hang below their pivot the bob will rotate in a retrograde ( backward ) direction relative to its pivot on the main wheel, thus gaining PE relative to its pivot position ( he believes this does not create any back-torque in the wheel ) - once the bob rotates to about 9 o'cl position and is activated the pend will either flip ( double ) or swing ( single ) to the outside radius where it locks again - at this position it has transferred its retrograde gained PE from the upper left quarter as it rides the balanced wheel to a lower left quarter PE that does not leverage the wheel around to release its PE - its PE release/transformation is directly into KE gain of the flywheel it is locked to for that phase and before it unlocks at bdc - thus not all gravity PE is created equal ..

He believes with his view of the physics that the wheel is force balanced at all times and what makes it accelerate is the storing of inner radius PE in the upper quarter being transformed into greater radius lower quarter PE releasing that PE directly into flywheel KE without leverage principles ( torque ) ever being applied ..

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Frog made no mention of the sims supplied where the system COM/COG was obviously one side or the other of the vertical line beneath the wheel axle indicating very real leverage principles in play in the form of positive and negative torque positions advancing or retarding the flywheel rpm .. he apparently did not understand this visual cue prediction to wheel torque, replicated in Spark's real-world build performance ..

He also has said that his double geared pendulum arrangement is a two-way wheel ..

Questions for Frog ..

1. Is my general description above accurate ? - if not please correct my misunderstanding from your point of view ..

2. How does your geared double pendulum arrangement accelerate in the opposite direction ( reverse direction to CW ) - does it require a dual set of locks and one-way bearings for each pendulum which are direction activated/deactivated ?

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[sparkshade]

2. How does your geared double pendulum arrangement accelerate in the opposite direction ( reverse direction to CW ) - does it require a dual set of locks and one-way bearings for each pendulum which are direction activated/deactivated ?

No the wheel does "work" in both direction since the locks are gravity-fed. It's also a problem in the end since they engage very badly depending on RPM and disengage when impacted by the flapping pendulums when they hit and become momentarily weightless.. Another proof that he never built it, since it's not a properly engineered idea (apparently a drawing was used for the patent office but not an engineering drawing, we can only speculate that he doesn't know how to properly build this, I tried to be true to the drawing in the end, with the little details given)

It's a good idea for a dual direction wheel function, I'll give him that, but it needs to work at low RPM.
To fix that of course active engagement would be used, using some precious power from the wheel however.

[coretux]

Hello Robinhood46, I learned about you through Thx4. Or what I think he meant when he said RH46. That's you right? He said your French is good. Is that true? Do you equally speak as good English as you do French?

Can we talk privately on a messaging app like Google Chat if you do?

"If this has been observed in practice, it indicates that the system has effectively achieved a way to redistribute energy"

That is the bit that counts Frog. There is a condition, a supposition, an assumption or however else you wish to express the signification of the word "if" in the sentence.
We all agree, well most of us probably do, that if you do have a runner, something really interesting is going on. I'm not going to contradict ChatGPT about what it would mean if you did have a runner.
I just want to know if you do have a runner. Everything, other than your answer to that question, irrespective of how it is worded, is indicating a solid hell no you don't have a runner, but you refuse to say it,

Why does everything indicate you don't actually have a runner, but you refuse to admit it?
There have been millions probably who haven't had runners over the last 3 centuries.
I don't know how others perceive your attitude, but i feel that you are treating us as though we were all born yesterday and we are all stupid.

It is totally fine to think you have a runner, we can work with that, what many of us can't work with, is the illusion that it is definitely the solution, without a runner.
Do you have a runner yes or no.
I sincerely hope my next comment isn't go fuck yourself. It's really not difficult to understand we just want to know what it is we are talking about, we don't have a problem with people thinking they have the answer, just lying to us that they actually have the answer, it pisses many of us us off big time.
My sincerity is in the hope of getting as much interest in your wheel as your wheel deserves.
RH46

[sparkshade]

Hello Robinhood46, I learned about you through Thx4. Or what I think he meant when he said RH46. That's you right? He said your French is good. Is that true? Do you equally speak as good English as you do French?

Can we talk privately on a messaging app like Google Chat if you do?

C'est quoi ton idee? Tu peux poster ca ici, de toute facon la conversation ne va nul part avec Frog.

[coretux]

I don't speak French, can you send all replies to me in English.

Hello Robinhood46, I learned about you through Thx4. Or what I think he meant when he said RH46. That's you right? He said your French is good. Is that true? Do you equally speak as good English as you do French?

Can we talk privately on a messaging app like Google Chat if you do?

C'est quoi ton idee? Tu peux poster ca ici, de toute facon la conversation ne va nul part avec Frog.

[Robinhood46]

I don't speak French, can you send all replies to me in English.

Hello Robinhood46, I learned about you through Thx4. Or what I think he meant when he said RH46. That's you right? He said your French is good. Is that true? Do you equally speak as good English as you do French?

Can we talk privately on a messaging app like Google Chat if you do?

C'est quoi ton idee? Tu peux poster ca ici, de toute facon la conversation ne va nul part avec Frog.

I do speak English Coretux, it is my first language.
Thx4's comment wasn't about speaking languages, it was about communication of complex ideas that only partially make sense to the person trying to convey them.
The difficulties communicating our ideas, and the frustrations, wasn't limited by our different languages, because my French is "impeccable" to use his words. Thx4 was exaggerating in my opinion, because my French isn't what i would consider impeccable, but his use of this word was simply to emphasise that our difficulties had absolutely nothing to do with limitations of my French. We both speak French sufficiently well to not have any insurmountable problems communicating our thoughts because of language, even though my French isn't as good as a true Frenchman, well as near to a true Frenchman as Thx4 can be considered (that's a joke only he will understand).
Once we understand our problem isn't language, we can then ask ourselves what the problem is.
The problem is that Thx4 hasn't got a bloody clue what he is talking about, and i haven't got a bloody clue what i am talking about. How is it possible that one of us can express our thoughts, so the other can know what it is we are talking about when we don't even know ourselves?

You will probably have noticed, in my recent comment to Frog, my annoyance at his inability to be honest, to clearly tell us what it is we are talking about. This is an aspect of communication that causes difficulties. It is extremely difficult to keep conversations interesting and productive when one of the people communicating has confused their perception of what is going on with what is actually going on.
It is very similar to trying to have a discussion about the existence of a God between two reasonable people who are of a different opinion, but both accept that they don't actually know. As apposed to one knows damn bloody well he does exist and the other knows damn bloody well it's all bollocks.

I think we can use Frog as an example, to understand the problems that arise when communication isn't honest and frank. You can't just take a bit of reality, twist it around in your head and tell the world your twisted version of reality actually works, unless you have categorical proof that your twisted version of reality actually works. This doesn't mean I've tested it enough to convince me, so it must be true. It means i have a wheel that goes around on it's own. Some of us have been here for years discussing our illusions of how Bessler's wheel worked, we all know damn well they are illusions. Illusions that are sometimes more promising than other illusions. Illusions that sometimes give others the illusion that it might work too. illusions than sometimes make us come across as an idiot, because it's blatantly obvious the bloody thing couldn't work. Illusions illusions and illusions, let's all talk about our illusions, our illusions of how we think Bessler did it.

So what illusion is it you want to talk about Coretux?
If it is an interesting illusion it might be worth trying to communicate privately. if it is an illusion i flogged to death 30 years ago, spent 2 years of my life trying to get it to work, failed miserably and gave it up as a bad idea, I'm not gonna wanna be spending more time on it I'm afraid.
The first step is to tell us all what it is you are trying to do, what illusion it is you are working on. We can then all share our view as to whether each of us think it is worth spending some time on, and some of us will probably be happy to communicate privately with you, because communication is considerably easier than messages here, even if direct communication does still have it's limitations.
My bottom line is, I'm not saying yes, I'm not saying no. I'm saying what is it you want to talk about in private?
If you are not prepared, for whatever reason, to share your thoughts here, i can categorically tell you i will not communicate in private. It is a total waste of time discussing things with people who can't tell you this or that bit, "because".
Looking forward to knowing what it is you want to talk about.
RH46.

[coretux]

Hello Robinhood46,

It's nice meeting you. Thank you for your reply. It really means a lot to me for someone to give me time.

I’ll be forthcoming and honest with you. I would like to keep my ideas, projects, and communications about my ideas and projects as they relate to energy machines private and confidential. This is to protect any and all intellectual property that would be contained in said projects and ideas that may give rise to a profitable venture.

As it stands I am open to doing business with those of my choosing if they are open to doing it with me as well of their choosing. This could include you if we are able to work on my ideas and projects together.
Maybe even some of your projects as well. I have no problem with colloborating to work towards a common cause. I hope you don't either.

I am aware of what Th×4 was trying to convey when he brought up your ability to speak French. I brought it up again because I would like to eventually talk with Th×4 again about these ideas, not just my own but his projects and ideas that he has posted on to YouTube that I have input on that I think could improve them. It would be nice to have someone else there that speaks the French language in case of any mistranslation or miscommunication.

When it comes to my ideas I don't know if they are illusions. Some of them might be, some of them might not. That's for us to find out. The only way to find out is to actually try it and test it.

I assure you I take this seriously and that I am not here to deliberately try to waste your time.
However, I can not guarantee that I won't waste your time either in the event all of my ideas and projects do not work and are failures. I believe there is a very good likelihood at least one of my ideas may work. That's enough to be worthwhile is it not?

I need the help of others. I don't know how to use CAD software or simulation software or how to use 3D printers nor do have any access to any those even though I do plan on acquiring them all hopefully soon. Do you have CAD/CAE software and know how to use them? Do you have a 3D printer and know how to use it?

The most I can tell you is that I have designs and ideas that could lead to a working perpetual motion machine. And I very much think it will. That is all I am willing to tell you publicly.

If you need proof of the fact I am serious about this and need some information, Th×4 has already leaked enough of my design idea by posting many photos of some of my sketches of one of my designs without my permission which I do not appreciate. Check out the topic Th×4 created titled Another Perpetual movement. Thankfully not all of it yet has been disclosed.

Most of my designs and ideas are not too complex.

That's all I have to tell you. There's nothing to hide. I have no problem speaking to you about my ideas privately, confidentially. I can tell you everything there is to tell. I am prepared to tell you everything privately. Again I have nothing to hide. My "because" for not telling you here is intellectual property being recklessly disclosed.

So do you agree to discuss my ideas privately on a messaging app and to keep our conversation private and confidential?

I'm really hoping you are. I have nothing but the best intent.

Can you trust me? Can you help me out? I need a lot of help on this.

I don't speak French, can you send all replies to me in English.

C'est quoi ton idee? Tu peux poster ca ici, de toute facon la conversation ne va nul part avec Frog.

I do speak English Coretux, it is my first language.
Thx4's comment wasn't about speaking languages, it was about communication of complex ideas that only partially make sense to the person trying to convey them.
The difficulties communicating our ideas, and the frustrations, wasn't limited by our different languages, because my French is "impeccable" to use his words. Thx4 was exaggerating in my opinion, because my French isn't what i would consider impeccable, but his use of this word was simply to emphasise that our difficulties had absolutely nothing to do with limitations of my French. We both speak French sufficiently well to not have any insurmountable problems communicating our thoughts because of language, even though my French isn't as good as a true Frenchman, well as near to a true Frenchman as Thx4 can be considered (that's a joke only he will understand).
Once we understand our problem isn't language, we can then ask ourselves what the problem is.
The problem is that Thx4 hasn't got a bloody clue what he is talking about, and i haven't got a bloody clue what i am talking about. How is it possible that one of us can express our thoughts, so the other can know what it is we are talking about when we don't even know ourselves?

You will probably have noticed, in my recent comment to Frog, my annoyance at his inability to be honest, to clearly tell us what it is we are talking about. This is an aspect of communication that causes difficulties. It is extremely difficult to keep conversations interesting and productive when one of the people communicating has confused their perception of what is going on with what is actually going on.
It is very similar to trying to have a discussion about the existence of a God between two reasonable people who are of a different opinion, but both accept that they don't actually know. As apposed to one knows damn bloody well he does exist and the other knows damn bloody well it's all bollocks.

I think we can use Frog as an example, to understand the problems that arise when communication isn't honest and frank. You can't just take a bit of reality, twist it around in your head and tell the world your twisted version of reality actually works, unless you have categorical proof that your twisted version of reality actually works. This doesn't mean I've tested it enough to convince me, so it must be true. It means i have a wheel that goes around on it's own. Some of us have been here for years discussing our illusions of how Bessler's wheel worked, we all know damn well they are illusions. Illusions that are sometimes more promising than other illusions. Illusions that sometimes give others the illusion that it might work too. illusions than sometimes make us come across as an idiot, because it's blatantly obvious the bloody thing couldn't work. Illusions illusions and illusions, let's all talk about our illusions, our illusions of how we think Bessler did it.

So what illusion is it you want to talk about Coretux?
If it is an interesting illusion it might be worth trying to communicate privately. if it is an illusion i flogged to death 30 years ago, spent 2 years of my life trying to get it to work, failed miserably and gave it up as a bad idea, I'm not gonna wanna be spending more time on it I'm afraid.
The first step is to tell us all what it is you are trying to do, what illusion it is you are working on. We can then all share our view as to whether each of us think it is worth spending some time on, and some of us will probably be happy to communicate privately with you, because communication is considerably easier than messages here, even if direct communication does still have it's limitations.
My bottom line is, I'm not saying yes, I'm not saying no. I'm saying what is it you want to talk about in private?
If you are not prepared, for whatever reason, to share your thoughts here, i can categorically tell you i will not communicate in private. It is a total waste of time discussing things with people who can't tell you this or that bit, "because".
Looking forward to knowing what it is you want to talk about.
RH46.

[Robinhood46]

Hello Robinhood46,

It's nice meeting you. Thank you for your reply. It really means a lot to me for someone to give me time.

I’ll be forthcoming and honest with you. I would like to keep my ideas, projects, and communications about my ideas and projects as they relate to energy machines private and confidential. This is to protect any and all intellectual property that would be contained in said projects and ideas that may give rise to a profitable venture.

I got that far and stopped.
I am not interested in working with anyone who wants to keep anything secret, for whatever reason.
Good luck with your project.

[coretux]

Why not?

Can you please read the rest? Can you read all of it?

Can you please give me that courtesy.

Hello Robinhood46,

It's nice meeting you. Thank you for your reply. It really means a lot to me for someone to give me time.

I’ll be forthcoming and honest with you. I would like to keep my ideas, projects, and communications about my ideas and projects as they relate to energy machines private and confidential. This is to protect any and all intellectual property that would be contained in said projects and ideas that may give rise to a profitable venture.

I got that far and stopped.
I am not interested in working with anyone who wants to keep anything secret, for whatever reason.
Good luck with your project.

[coretux]

Can you at least tell me someone here that can keep the contents of communication confidential?

Hello Robinhood46,

It's nice meeting you. Thank you for your reply. It really means a lot to me for someone to give me time.

I’ll be forthcoming and honest with you. I would like to keep my ideas, projects, and communications about my ideas and projects as they relate to energy machines private and confidential. This is to protect any and all intellectual property that would be contained in said projects and ideas that may give rise to a profitable venture.

I got that far and stopped.
I am not interested in working with anyone who wants to keep anything secret, for whatever reason.
Good luck with your project.

[Fletcher]

Hi coretux .. RH46 is well known here for his views on only working on public profile projects, and nothing in private - many others feel the same as we are a community of like minded individuals who want to solve how Bessler built his 'runners', and what was their energy source - that's our main focus - additionally many of us have been at it for years and are the resilient ones who remain at the coal face doing the experiments with sims or real-world builds, and collectively analyzing the results and learning from them ( at least, that is the aim ) - we learned a long time ago to put aside our ego's and contribute to the common goal and good to have a chance to crack this very hard nut.. of course there are some who persist on their own and don't share what they are doing or experimenting with, and that is their prerogative - some are somewhere inbetween ..

FYI there is a Private Forum here where you can start your own Topic and invite members to join you etc .. not everyone will be willing to do that like RH46 but you may get a few who wish to do so, especially others who want to patent etc ..

There is also a Private Messaging function to the forum where you can contact other members and they you - I suggest you start a new Topic about you finding the assistance you need and leave this Topic to the owner Frog, and those willing to discuss his ideas ..

cheers -fletcher ( long time member ) ..

ETA .. fwiw - Bessler himself said he was a conduit for his god to reveal a working Perpetual Motion Machine ( PMM ) - else he would not have thought of it, altho it is incredibly simple to build and easy to understand as says he and one trustworthy witness who saw the interior workings .. so given B's. experience and capabilities, and skills, you can see the head-winds blowing in our faces - while most don't expect a divine intervention some of us do believe that our combined talents will inevitably bring us closer to the mechanical solution to a runner, if by only weight of numbers pushing the boundaries of rational classical science and experimentation possibilities ..