The Wheel is solved in a New Norwegian Patent

[Tarsier79]

Yes. I think the "scales of justice" are usually portrayed as having a higher pivot than the weight attachment point.

so if a flywheel with one meter radius has two identical hanging pendulum on each side and you turn it so one pendulum is 5 o’clock the flywheel will turn with a oscillation behaviour until it levels out with one pendulum at 9 and one at 3 that is one equilibrium position,

I thought he must be talking about locking the pendulums at 90 degrees, which is not shown in either of his designs. I now think there is a gap in his understanding.

[Frog]

This is actually depressing.
I’m out of words…almost

-Frog

[SHADOW]

Pour le fun!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuueWTrxXnc&t=165s

[Tarsier79]

This is actually depressing.
I’m out of words…almost

Why?



on the scales of justice, does the center pivot need to be higher than the weight connection positions on the scale?
Co-pilot

Yes, for the scales of justice to function properly, the center pivot point needs to be higher than the weight connection positions on the scale. This ensures that the beam can balance and accurately reflect the weight comparison between the two sides.

Would you like to know more about how balance scales work or their historical significance?

does a balance bar with two equidistant and equal weight pendulums have any positions they will prefer to rotate to?

A balance bar with two equidistant and equal-weight pendulums will generally have a preferred position due to the principle of equilibrium. If the pendulums are perfectly balanced and the bar is horizontal, this position is typically a state of stable equilibrium where the system tends to return if slightly disturbed. This is because any deviation from the equilibrium position creates a restoring force that pulls the system back to balance.

However, the balance bar and pendulums will not have multiple preferred positions but will rather stabilize around this horizontal equilibrium unless external forces act upon them.

Would you like a more detailed explanation of the physics behind this or examples of practical applications?

what if the pendulum pivots are in line with the balance beam axis?

If the pendulum pivots are in line with the balance beam axis, the balance system behaves differently. In this configuration, the pendulums will not create a restoring torque because their weights act directly through the pivot axis. This means that:

Lack of Restoring Force: If the balance beam is disturbed from its horizontal equilibrium position, there won't be a force to bring it back to equilibrium. The system is in a state of neutral equilibrium, where it remains in any position it's placed.

Indeterminate Stability: The balance beam can freely rotate around the pivot axis without preferring any particular position, leading to an unstable balance system. In a practical sense, this setup wouldn't function well as a scale because it wouldn't provide a definitive balance point.

This setup demonstrates principles in mechanics and stability, and understanding these concepts can be crucial for designing effective balance systems.

[thx4]

https://youtu.be/KiZnnmRwY1g?si=1kLDvEYdMAmLZKge

[agor95]

This is actually depressing.
I’m out of words…almost

-Frog

I do not mean to be flippant but words are one thing we could use less of.
You are in a perfect place as the only way for you is up.

Learning to address present and prove a design needs more than words and imagination.

All the Best

[Frog]

This is actually depressing.
I’m out of words…almost

Why?



on the scales of justice, does the center pivot need to be higher than the weight connection positions on the scale?
Co-pilot

Yes, for the scales of justice to function properly, the center pivot point needs to be higher than the weight connection positions on the scale. This ensures that the beam can balance and accurately reflect the weight comparison between the two sides.

Would you like to know more about how balance scales work or their historical significance?

does a balance bar with two equidistant and equal weight pendulums have any positions they will prefer to rotate to?

A balance bar with two equidistant and equal-weight pendulums will generally have a preferred position due to the principle of equilibrium. If the pendulums are perfectly balanced and the bar is horizontal, this position is typically a state of stable equilibrium where the system tends to return if slightly disturbed. This is because any deviation from the equilibrium position creates a restoring force that pulls the system back to balance.

However, the balance bar and pendulums will not have multiple preferred positions but will rather stabilize around this horizontal equilibrium unless external forces act upon them.

Would you like a more detailed explanation of the physics behind this or examples of practical applications?

what if the pendulum pivots are in line with the balance beam axis?

If the pendulum pivots are in line with the balance beam axis, the balance system behaves differently. In this configuration, the pendulums will not create a restoring torque because their weights act directly through the pivot axis. This means that:

Lack of Restoring Force: If the balance beam is disturbed from its horizontal equilibrium position, there won't be a force to bring it back to equilibrium. The system is in a state of neutral equilibrium, where it remains in any position it's placed.

Indeterminate Stability: The balance beam can freely rotate around the pivot axis without preferring any particular position, leading to an unstable balance system. In a practical sense, this setup wouldn't function well as a scale because it wouldn't provide a definitive balance point.

This setup demonstrates principles in mechanics and stability, and understanding these concepts can be crucial for designing effective balance systems.

What you quotes is correct, and still you don’t understand, I can’t figure out why…

- Frog

[sparkshade]

🍿

[Tarsier79]

Thats all right. I can't figure out why you think your design has any other potential energy apart from GPE, nor can I figure out why you think it converts any of it to KE. You should build your own design.

[sparkshade]

Thats all right. I can't figure out why you think your design has any other potential energy apart from GPE, nor can I figure out why you think it converts any of it to KE. You should build your own design.

Nah nah nah, he prefers the prophet complex where he gives us some bread crumbs to fall over with. Dare we not question the faith!