over unity dreams and solutions

[epistemologicide]

grettings to you all, hello my name is ashtweth dasien, first i am great full that sentinet beings of your aware nature are here posting your thoughts and insights, for alternative/overunity/free energy

we are able to do it, if not straight away ..able to work together in solidarity to tweak the path for which we can gain further progress...

I plan to start an alt energy company to save the planet, eventually being able to provide an overunity device FREE for all, this is my ever changing plan of action, first to register the company, called panacea, as a charity, and non profit, hence so you can get anon donations and donÂ’t have to pay tax.

And Eventually getting enough revenue by alt power/over unity devices, to sell all current materials, that are renewable and earth friendly cheaper than the current market price, like hemp etc, a small example, so we can not only just replace energy but all the unsustainable shit, even put out a chain of vegetarian restaurants, think about the diversity of the menu, it can attract a wider customer base!!

Then further go onto wright a new school curriculum with all new renewable materials, community planing, including buckminister fuller designs, and input from david Suzuki.

The waves I or we can make, first I assemble as many over unity devices I can, look at the complete energy resource thread


i have written here

http://plans-kits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=23

the jap over unity that beardon describes, I will be emailing beardon, if he wishs to lend a m.e.g for the demonstration, and as much advice as naudin can give for the live tv telecast!!!, to get the people on side, hence we can cause the product demand, the power companies will have no more excuses for the use of fossil fuel. Like I said this is all in the planing scale so ideas and input is neeed.. we go live on tv, explain all the things we need to and get the company established from there

What devices should we assemble for the demonstration

Adams motor, bedini devices??????

plus also, i have stunbled onto some other gravity ideas, im hoping we could all use our minds to further improve this device,

warning the ideas are pretty out there , you have been warned lol, ill attempt to describe them in the next post

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free energy? from a floating power plant parked over the marinas trench. a weighted piston is tossed overboard, connected to a cable that spins a generator's pulley wheel as it drops the seven miles to the sea-bottom. the pressure at the bottom is correct to squeeze the specially designed cylinder into its tightest formation, storing potential by compressing a gas or a spring. now, if there was a way to get that piston to come back up without using any power, it would over unity?. perhaps some one has the answer. perhaps, at it's fully crushed position, the piston could i have stumbled upon something very strange, that involves something of the prior gizmos, wedded with a compressor and hydrogen (or helium) balloon on the upper end of the 7 mile long cable.

i'm certainly not suggesting any violations of THE LAWS;
but i do find the abstarction of the energy source involved, to be unclear. a less optomistic way of wording this would be: i can't yet figure why it won't work.

so i'm going to have to describe this idea furthar, in another post, for its debunking or tweeking into a viable alternate (non-magical) energy source.

the magic is in water's attributes..that it doesn't compress into a solid; that it's solid form is less dense than its liquid form; and that it is able to rise up , several miles, into the sky, in seeming defiance of gravity.

its clarity, solubility, adhesiveness as ice; its insulating properties, and so on. activate a rxn that caused a release of gas into a bladder, like a fish. but even if you had to power the thing back up to sea level, using the energy produced by its fall , plus some extra, to cover losses, you'd retrieve the energy stored in the device that was subjected to quite extraordinary pressure, which, when released, should more than compensate for the energy costs of retrieving the device for repeating the cycle. such a strange accessability, the ocean bottom. gravity alone can bring an appliance down to awesome force. so different than going to the moon. but not so different from floating up seven miles in a helium balloon, which probably has similar opportunities. i sense significance in electrical energy going uphill with no problem, and then converting into a mechanical form, which likes going down hill.

in playing with the verticle distance, that which is commonly available to humans, it seems that we have aprox. 14 miles to work with. a big bag of hydrogen could pull weight from sea-level to 7 miles high; and a weighted line could drop another 7 miles to the ocean's deepest area.

there are some intersting differences in a lighter than air balloon rising; and a heavier than water item sinking.

these are features to exploit.

as the balloon rises into less dense atmosphere, the friction on its movement decreases.on the oceanic decent, friction doesn't increase as you go deeper; nor is the water any thicker.this has significance.

another part of the puzzle, is the notion of having a device purposely squeezed very tightly from pressure at the bottom, and a ratchett-like concept holding it that way during the ascent. (to bee drained of its power topside) the cool thing is that there would be less friction on the ascent, because the thing would be much smaller than when it went down.

btw, i realise the silliness of putting load on the cable, to run a generator, as the gizmo sinks; and then using power to bring it back up. that could bee skipped, except it would bee worth having the capacity to do that in the event of a combo-generator/dumping station. heavy loads of refuse would be cabled on and dropped to the bottom with a release switch when it hit, which would be a sweet extra in using those trenches as our garbage dump.

so, picture this:

a 7 mile long cable; on one end, is the special squashable gizmo, just barely submerged;and on the other end, way up in the sky, is a hydrogen balloon; just big enough to keep the gizmo at the top of the water, but not big enough to lift the gizmo out of the water.

the balloon is tetherd this way, at its upper most reach.

in its other extreme position, the heavier than water gizmo drops to within a few meters of the bottom, anchored to the waters surface by the hydrogen balloon, which is now floating.

by altering the ratio of densities of the 2 items on either end of the string, it can bee raised or lowered.

anyone with me so far, in general?


actually, assuming the hydrogen ballon was filled at sea level, it would expand in volume as it rose, possibly keeping friction the same, even though the air gets thinner.

one potential victory zone in this assembly, is that the density of the air from top to bottom of the seven miles, doesn't change anywhere close to tenfold; the pressure difference in that altitude is significant, but nothing compared to the decent 7 miles down!

allowing that some sort of spring loaded device could bee compressed at the depths, and locked into position as it is pulled back up, and tapped into back at sea level, couldn't said device deliver more energy than what was required to compress some of the hydrogen in the balloon (for diving and loading) and later, decompress it , by releasing the compressed portion back into the balloon; beeginning the ascent of the recharged device from 7 miles down?

the two ends of this verticle see-saw would be as close to in balance as was allowable...so, only very slight changes in weight dispersal would bee needed to change direction...allbeeit, a near even balance would bee a slow trip down to crush-town; and a slow ride back.

if this was a possible energy source, what exactly would it bee tapping into?
and, if it wasn't a possible scenario for retrieving more than was spent, where is the blunderous thinking?

if it did deliver more than what was put into the effort, just as putting a turbine under a waterfalls is worth the effort, what natural system of enery flowage would bee impacted by the extraction?

[VergingOnDone]

Why not build a reciprocating paddle arm that takes advantage of waves to power an underwater generator? There is mega energy along the shores right now.

[epistemologicide]

http://www.darvill.clara.net/altenerg/wave.htm

indeed

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didnt want to put this in a new thread , hope you all havent seen it yet

its a plan for a gravity wheel

http://home.gcn.cx/nytrix/wheel.html

[racer270]

its bottom heavy and it will keel,(it's been tried on this site) . but not quite so big!!!

[Jonathan]

I think I must have missed this thread, I don't remember reading it.
I notice you say "renewable and earth friendly" in the first post, and then mention in passing in the second, "...which would be a sweet extra in using those [sea] trenches as our garbage dump." What is that about?
First, I'm certain that the Marquis of Worcester's wheel didn't work and never will, I posted an analysis of it in the Community Buzz, and built probably four models.
Second, the energy necessary to lift the crushable gizmo will be greater than the amount gained during its fall by exactly the amount that can be released by the pressure differential at the surface. This is because it has the same mass going up as down, but has less volume on the way up, so has greater density on the way up, so that it is 'heavier' than when on the way down. The apparent weight of an object in a fluid depends on the density of the fluid and the weight.

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hi jonathan

it was from an idea from some one from another forum i know, thought id get some opinions etc.

he has alot of crackpot ideas like this one

i have a 100 gallon propane tank with 82 gallons of water and 12 gallons of oil, with a single opening at the top, connected to a tall tube with a small turbine in it.

when it gets very cold outside (negative energy input?) the water in the tank freezes solid, and expands in volume, forcing the un-frozen oil out and up the tube; causing the little turbine to turn as it rises, (and of course, slightly lowering the freezing point of the water in the process). when it gets warm out, the ice thaws inside the tank; the oil drops back down the tube, also turning the little turbine as it falls.

by god, the damn thing just keeps on working; year after year; with no additional energy input. '

not a clue how that could be harnesed for an interesting amount of power.