It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than trying to solely profit

[rlortie]

Robert,

You may state that there is a lot of people monitoring your thread here, and I am sure there is. This is the first thread I look for upon signing in.
You get no reply from me as there is nothing to reply too. You make statements and I listen. I find it easier to think with mouth shut.

So. How many hours have some of you wasted trying to leech off of the details I've provided? Been having much success with springs? Levers? How about the phi ratio? That's a good one...

I for one am not looking to "leech" any details that are not here. Levers and springs are the least of my concerns as I do not have any faith in either. I have some of your previous attempts archived and have received a number of you ideas from other members with their modified alterations. As of this date I have not considered any of them viable enough to build.

As for you statements regarding percentage of completion I find interesting but at the same time irrelevant. I have wheels 100% complete but they still do not run. I patiently hang on to them figuring a little tweak here or there may make a difference. I find that a ramp incline changed as small as 1/32" in a design will make a pound of torque difference.

I give you high esteemed regards for your Empirical skills and your drive to utilize them. But I do not always feel the design path you follow will lead down the yellow brick road. A design with springs attached in any manner other than to the axis, only become an intricate part of the wheel and will eventually balance out.

My own efforts is now to a point where my shop is doing nothing but becoming a full time job in modeling other forum members ideas that they have approached me with, or I have solicited for. If they look questionable I consider building a proto. I currently have four such designs backlogged with three under construction.

Yes, I believe that there is more than one way to build a working wheel, as such I do not spend a whole lot of time attempting to decode Bessler's writings. What I do believe is that weights must work in pairs, and it is the gradient value by position between each set that performs the final output. This accounts for maximum torque at zero rpm, and reason for the fast acceleration on start up.

Regards, Ralph

[rks1878]

Ken,

U R right, I can "almost taste it".

There are 60 pounds of weights on a 45 9/16 wheel. All are connected and free to move. If I stand in front of it and apply less than the amount of force it would take to snap a very thin (not the round double pointed ones) toothpick, at one mechanical thing, at each weight, it begins to turn and accelerate to where I can skip a weight here and there. First though, I have to pull the wheel by hand until the first weight falls, but once that happens, then it begins to go as I continue to tap it. It turns fast enough that I can't reach in fast enough to tap at the right place.

My situation is just this "bad".

I think I have a way to transfer that small force. Again and again.

[rlortie]

Hmm!

Transfer a force less than breaking a toothpick. Is that endo or lateral leverage on that toothpick? If lateral how much is revealed beyond your gasp. And you are able to skip a weight here and there.

This could be achieved with a perfectly balanced wheel or the application of a pendulum.

Ralph

[rks1878]

Ralph,

Leeches.

I know. I was referring more to the other problems we've faced.

I respect your indignation.

[Michael]

Robert you haven't answered so maybe my post was out of line, but can you respect that the way you worded your paragraph makes it look like your not telling the truth? When I see possible deceptive word games the flags go up, but I was also tired when I read this. Still. If this is a misread on my part I apologize but can you reword it so we know what it is you mean?

I too, like Ralph, look in on this thread when something new is posted.

I suppose John Collins hasn't spent even one minute on puzzling out a mech from the details I've put here,

I told him long ago, that the truth of any mech I persue, would not be found on this board, and now you know too.

[rlortie]

Robert,

I do believe that you miss interpreted my post, or I did a lousy job of conveying. To me the use of the word "indignation" means, anger or aroused by something unjust or mean. I did not intend for my statement to carry such meaning.

I certainly have no problem with your use of "leeches" as that is the same as lurkers or fishing. We all do that to some degree and that is why we are here. I am always looking for information that may strike an observational motivation for new ideas.

Personally to keep such mannerisms from happening I simply do not post when the anticipation of a possible winner gets the blood flowing. I suggested this to Claudio, who did at first take my advice but soon forgot. We all know what the outcome there was.

It is nice to know that you are within the force applied by a toothpick and is an interesting observation. But as I stated, this could just as well apply to a well balanced wheel of 60 pound weights. That could put you in the same ball park as one Darrel Vandusen AKA Vandugegs.

Ralph

[ovyyus]

I think the only way anyone could be in Vandusen's ballpark is if they claimed that their wheel was actually working when in fact it wasn't. I don't see Robert ever doing that.

[rlortie]

Ovyyus,

I agree, I do not see Robert doing that either.

My comparison was meant to imply that Darrel's wheel was so heavy that once given a good push, would run for an extended time by inertial force alone. An occasional slight push would keep it going. Without the toothpick so to speak it would eventually come to a halt.

Ralph

[coylo]

I like your drive Robert and wish you the best of luck......sincerely. Everyone leeches around here - it's not news, that's just stating the obvious and every other member probably thought it not worthy enough to merit mentioning it - until now. You probably started by sniffing around the clues Bessler left behind like everyone else.

Gee, every time I post it's always good for several hundred page views and no dialog.

....and babies cry too when don't get enough attention.

So. How many hours have some of you wasted trying to leech off of the details I've provided? Been having much success with springs? Levers? How about the phi ratio? That's a good one...

This, IMHO has to be the most egotistical (carrot dangling) statements I have ever read on this forum. I'm not annoyed.......just ammused. lol.

What's the story with you and John Collins?...and you said your drive is based on vengeance......avenging who or what?

I don't have any leeching wheel questions, I'm just not interested.

[rlortie]

Coylo,

I think the revenge statement implies getting even with Bessler for leaving every interested party hanging on a limb. Remember I have often stated that I do not wish to duplicate him. I would rather stand on his shoulders while he is in a lake over his head!

As for the carrot dangling, there has not really been that much pertaining to wheel design as there has been to the prevues of a good soap opera. One wonders whats happening in tomorrows episode! In that respect Robert is putting Ken in second place.

Robert in a sense is giving some (including me) the incentive to, "get with the program" if we expect to be the first. There is nothing in Roberts completion reports worth replying to, they only leave us with the anticipation of what will he post next. This thread is unfolding with much higher ratings than that HMS Bessler thing on another channel.

And speaking of suspense and mystery, where the h--l is Ivory Tower Az. on the map? :-)

Ralph

[racer270]

And speaking of suspense and mystery, where the h--l is Ivory Tower Az. on the map? :-)

that is jonathan : way up there in the window..
...see him wave, **//

[Jonathan]

Right Gordon, I'm in phenix, airisona.
The Ivory Tower is inside the crown of the letter i.

[rks1878]

Coylo Buddy,

Gotta aim a little higher with me...
"Vengence"--- I want to avenge Bessler for the shabby treatment he received.
It ended up everybody thinking he was a swindler, (and many still do),

Coylo, a working machine would fix that problem.

I think you should consider changing your avatar from "The Thinker" to a dunce cap maybe?

[Wheeler]

Dog gone you Ralph, for bringing up other threads.
What ever happened to you and James thing?
Gettin everyone all stirred up 1878!

[Wheeler]

What happen man?
Too much math?