It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than trying to solely profit

[james kelly]

I love your wit Bill.... may God bless and keep you as you are always.... jim kelly

[coylo]

I don't think God endorses that kind of thing Jim..............(homosluttiness)

I would like to take this opportunity to express that I do not have a working wheel!

[ovyyus]

No worries coylo - I'm a bit worried about the 'homo' bit too... all to a good cause though :P I guess now you have one more reason to keep it real quiet when you do find a solution - LOL

PS: Jim, I do my best with what little I have :D

[rks1878]

I for one am not looking to "leech" any details that are not here. Levers and springs are the least of my concerns as I do not have any faith in either. I have some of your previous attempts archived and have received a number of you ideas from other members with their modified alterations. As of this date I have not considered any of them viable enough to build.

As for you statements regarding percentage of completion I find interesting but at the same time irrelevant. I have wheels 100% complete but they still do not run. I patiently hang on to them figuring a little tweak here or there may make a difference. I find that a ramp incline changed as small as 1/32" in a design will make a pound of torque difference.

I give you high esteemed regards for your Empirical skills and your drive to utilize them. But I do not always feel the design path you follow will lead down the yellow brick road. A design with springs attached in any manner other than to the axis, only become an intricate part of the wheel and will eventually balance out.

Ralph and Michael

I know. I've learned the hard way about springs. However I've not totally given up on them.

I'm going to try them to store and release the toothpick force in my wheel or eliminate the need.

If you and Jim get it, I wil still be happy and relieved. Bessler would be avenged.

I've tried ramps. What you all have must really be something special!...

With my design, I believe that I have been lead through the right navigation choices to make in a large city, and have cornered equilibrium in a nice little blind alleyway. I can plainly see what's holding things up and can also see why it is and what it is that's causing me to have to touch each weight position with the toothpick force. I think I can eliminate the need to touch it anywhere.

I'm not going to tell any more operation details, except to say that my design uses 12 ea. 5lb. weights arrayed on a 45 9/16 MDF wheel. I've always used these heavy weights because that way, problems are more visible.

That's why I believe I have such a winning design this time. The thing actually goes once I push it to where the first weight falls and I keep tapping what needs to be tapped with the toothpick worth of force.

Tonight, I counted the actual rpm I can make it go, by inputting this small influence. With 12 weights it's difficult to reach in at the right time and touch a moving target for more than 14 rpm....I start missing and skipping doing it by hand.

With this design, I have actually made it a self starter for 6 weights worth by changing some lengths, but there is no real power until after the first few weights fall.

Ralph, I think your goal of max torque at zero rpm is a bit ambitious. Like the above example, it will slowly begin to turn, but after the first weight falls, it looks like something really grabs it and accelerates it...

[ken_behrendt]

I, too, have not yet given up on springs. They seem to be a convenient way to assist weights as they restore back to their starting positions closer to a wheel's axle. And, there seems to be some evidence that they were used in Bessler's wheels.

ken

[rks1878]

Haven't had time to make any changes to the wheel since last Thurs.
Tomorrow, thru Fri I'll have some time to work on it.

I was a little disappointed that while I was detailing spring use that it didn't sucker somebody out to say something like, " I feel we are on the same path and our designs are identical."
I've seen this behavior on this and other threads...


Nobody will know what the mech is until the patent application is published.

[rlortie]

Darn!

I was just getting ready to write, we are not on the same path and our designs are not identical. So if we use yours on the up side and mine on the down side, we should have a different potential and it will spin even gooder! :-)

Ralph

[rks1878]

I would like to thank the several of you who have sent me your suggestions via email (one has sent1 0 messages).
However:
I will never respond or use any of your ideas. So far, none of them are even close anyway, but I appreciate your attempts to help, and your difficult to conceal excitement...

I am excited too. My pulse increases while I work further on the wheel or even think about it.

I did some small experiments between two connected weights today, and what I've added seems to eliminate having to input the toothpick's worth of force needed to sustain acceleration.

The toothpick force was needed to collapse a "support". It wasn't being added angularly. As long as the weights can "collapse" suddenly, the wheel goes.

I have to finish real work due before Christmas, so time is shorter now than I planned for the wheel.....

I want to finish it, but then again I don't, because I want to delay a possible setback. The thought that I'm close, and it is going to work, is more pleasing at the moment...!!

[graham]

want to finish it, but then again I don't, because I want to delay a possible setback. The thought that I'm close, and it is going to work, is more pleasing at the moment...!!

This sentiment rings a bell ,something we all have experienced Robert. Take the plunge , and "may the FORCE be with you.

Graham

[ken_behrendt]

Steve...

I, too, have experienced that bizarre last minute hesitation before a final, critical test of a design needed to be performed. One gets a kind of high from being on the verge of success and wants to prolong it as long as possible. But, inevitably, that critical test must come. Every such test I have ever performed was a failure that, initially, caused crushing depression in me...almost like losing a loved one! But, somehow, as the despair fades, one's mind gets filled with exciting new approaches to try.

I'm hoping that your next critical test of your design will be a complete success...


ken

[Fletcher]

You get somewhat immune to it after a while as jim_mich said, but it's not possible to eliminate all the emotion out of the occasion. It can still be a wild ride. Interestingly enough for me, while in those moments of utter despair, the creative floodgates tend to open the widest. Perhaps it is the deep personal need to solve this riddle & move on with our lives.

Anyway Robert, lets hope you don't need another idea or tweak.

[Jonathan]

I agree with Graham, when important things are out of the way, don't hesitate to finish the wheel; may the Ãœbergewicht be with you. :)

[rks1878]

But, inevitably, that critical test must come. Every such test I have ever performed was a failure that, initially, caused crushing depression in me...almost like losing a loved one!

I'm glad I shared that pre-trial anxiety, and see that others have experienced it also.

The farther I go though, the worse it, and the post trial depression gets, as each trial builds on what went before, all that I've learned, all that I've built. It all rolls into a bigger and bigger ball rolling down that ski jump.

Will it stay on course, at the right trajectory, and land at the bottom and roll to a win, or will it go careening off the edge like that poor chap on the intro to the Wide World of Sports ("...the agony of defeat.") and smash into fine powder again...................

[rks1878]

This morning for about an hour, I tried a little poke mech on the wheel, and it didn't work.

Depressed all day....

Realized while eating supper at Taco Bell that maybe that the poke mech should duplicate exactly what I was doing with the toothpick, that is, approach the target from the same direction.

Upon getting home, I just didn't want to try any more today and felt sleepy. I laid sideways on the seat of my S-15 truck and inadertantly slept for over an hour. That helped alot...

Went into the shop feeling totally rested and ready for another try

and

I've come up with a poker that will do it right, and from the right direction, for as many weights back as I need, at the same time.

Just an hour here and there is all I can spend on the wheel for the next week or so...

[ken_behrendt]

Robert...

Sorry to hear about the failed test...I've been there too many times to count. However, it's amazing how a failed attempt to achieve PM can, after a brief mourning period, stimulate one's cerebral neurons to find a way around the obstacle that prevented the design from running.

Over the decades, a LOT of people have "politely" suggested to me that I was wasting my time with my quest for OU/PM (they also had similar sentiments about several other pursuits of mine) and could be spending it far more profitably being involved with known and reliable technology...the suggestion being that the acquisition of money was the highest ideal a person could aspire to and out ranked all other endeavors! Well, despite my many failures, I do not think, in retrospect, that I would trade one second of my experiences for all of the money in the universe. Without those failures, I would probably not be the person I am today...the person I was "meant" to be. Some Chinese philosopher (might have been Lao Tse) said about 2500 years ago that the greatest tragedy in life was "not to be the person you were meant to be"...how true.

And, who knows, maybe all this obsessing about gravity wheels and what not will somehow delay or prevent the onset of Alzheimer's Disease someday!


ken