Osama's Message to America!

[SeaWasp]

Israel has Nukes.. Unless the Arabs can somehow build their own, then they will just yell a whole lot louder at them.. I do fear though, that, if and when the enemies of Israel do get their hands on Nukes.. Then it will not be a very pretty scenario. I am sure that a first strike will be imminent. And both sides have the determination to do it to each other.

[ken_behrendt]

I've seen declassified spy satellite photos of what appear to be ballistic missile complexes in Syria. I immediately wondered why a country, which does not yet "officially" have nuclear weapons, would build such a field of gantry supported missiles. Being single stage, they are obviously intended for tactical use. But, is it worth the cost and effort to build such a system to just deliver a conventional explosive, chemical, or biological weapon to a target in a neighboring state when this could be done just as effectively via jet aircraft? Perhaps those missiles are awaiting another type of warhead!

I think it is only a matter of time before all of the Middle East "goes nuclear" and, sooner or later, some "misunderstanding" or diplomatic "failure" is going to happen and then all hell (or should I say "Armageddon"!) is going to break loose...


ken

[rlortie]

Three guys -- a Canadian farmer, Osama bin Laden, and an
American engineer -- are working together one day. They come across a
lantern and a Genie pops out of it. "I will give each of you one wish,
which is three wishes total," says the Genie.

The Canadian says, "I am a farmer, my dad was a farmer, and my
son will also farm. I want the land to be forever fertile in Canada."
Pooooof! With the blink of the Genie's eye, the land in Canada was
forever made fertile for farming.

Osama bin Ladin was amazed, so he said, "I want a wall around
Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran so that no infidels, Jews or Americans can
come into our precious state." Pooooof! Again, with the blink of the
Genie's eye, there was a huge wall around those countries.

The American engineer says, "I am very curious. Please tell me
more about this wall." The Genie explains, "Well, it's about 5000 feet
high, 500 feet thick and completely surrounds the country. Nothing can
get in or out -- it's virtually impenetrable."

The American engineer says, "Fill it with water."

[AgingYoung]

And you wonder why they hate americans! I would have opted for pig's blood.

Gene

[ken_behrendt]

I do not believe that all Muslims hate Americans or other non-muslims.

Actually, Islam is supposed to be a pacifist type religion that stresses tolerance and good will toward non-muslims. It is only supposed to resort to violence when the practice or very existence of the faith is directly threatened by an aggressor.

Unfortunately, certain radical fundamentalist elements within Islam have taken passages from the Koran and re-interpreted them to justify the terrorist actions that are now occuring worldwide. Most Islamic religious scholars have condemned those actions as well as those who perpetrate them. Although I certainly do not agree with everything the Bush Administration is doing, I do agree 100% with their comment that the terrorists have "hijacked" the religion of Islam and are using it to try to obtain their own ends which are not in agreement with the core principles of Islam. While some of what is going on now is related to religious issues, a major part of it has to do with obtaining political power and displacing moderate muslim governments, especially if they are "friendly" to the West.

Most likely, the "war" against terrorism will, after another decade or so, finally end, but, in the meanwhile, many tens of thousands of innocent lives will be lost...


ken

[rlortie]

Ken,

Most likely, the "war" against terrorism will, after another decade or so, finally end, but, in the meanwhile, many tens of thousands of innocent lives will be lost...

I call it, natures population control. And I do not mean that in a bigoted manner.. I mean it for all races creeds, colors and religions.

Ralph

[ovyyus]

And you wonder why they hate americans! I would have opted for pig's blood.

Gene

There he goes again - Ralphs joke ended with a witty way to drown some Arab nations but Gene just had to take the opportunity to turn that into an offensive comment aimed at insulting the religious belief of others. If a Muslim were to suggest that Jesus was a gay child molester there would be an uproar here! It IS no wonder they hate Americans. The bigots on both sides of this war won't be satisfied until none of their children are left standing. Just stupid.

[AgingYoung]

Did someone squeeze the billybug's head? I see tripe everywhere.

Gene

ps edit: let me run this tripe thru the BS processor and see what emerges...

There he goes again - Ralphs joke ended with a witty way to drown some Arab nations but Gene just had to take the opportunity to turn that into an offensive comment aimed at insulting the religious belief of others. If a Muslim were to suggest that Jesus was a gay child molester there would be an uproar here! It IS no wonder they hate Americans. The bigots on both sides of this war won't be satisfied until none of their children are left standing. Just stupid.

Heck, I'll be. The whole dang post was BS.

Gene

[AgingYoung]

I've managed to enhance the BS processor. It now has the capability to parse text and detect hidden messages that the poster in a Besslerian fashion embedded in them. This is the first time I've actually tested it so lets see what it produces...

There he goes again - Ralphs joke ended with a witty way to drown some Arab nations but Gene just had to take the opportunity to turn that into an offensive comment aimed at insulting the religious belief of others. If a Muslim were to suggest that Jesus was a gay child molester there would be an uproar here! It IS no wonder they hate Americans. The bigots on both sides of this war won't be satisfied until none of their children are left standing. Just stupid.

Well, there's the hidden message in the billybug's post. I'm not sure what he's trying to say.

Gene

[ovyyus]

While you're fixated on calling me silly names and simply repeating lame comments you'll continue to miss the point. It's not that difficult really.

[AgingYoung]

An interesting idea just occured to me. What if I ran one of my posts thru the enhanced BS processor to see if maybe there's a hidden message in it?

Did someone squeeze the billybug's head? I see tripe everywhere.

Gene

ps edit: let me run this tripe thru the BS processor and see what emerges..

Imagine that.... It's something like a truth detector. It can read your very thoughts. This could be dangerous.

Gene

[AgingYoung]

Ken,

Actually, Islam is supposed to be a pacifist type religion that stresses tolerance and good will toward non-muslims. It is only supposed to resort to violence when the practice or very existence of the faith is directly threatened by an aggressor.

I see no reason for believing your post. It's an historical fact that Mohammed was a warring prophet. He conquered Mecca by first making a peace treaty with the inhabitants then thru robbing caravans funded his army to the point where he took it by sword. Mecca was no threat to him when he was in Medina. In speeches in arabic Yasser Arafat mentioned numerous times that's the sort of peace the plo wanted with Israel.

Also there's an understanding in the quran that if a muslim gives their word to an infidel (anyone that isn't a muslim) they're not required to keep it. The western definition of that behavior is lying. I'm sure the male inhabitants (the women and children were spoil or booty that was divided among his soldiers) were a little ticked off as they were decapitated. Depending on the stakes it's enough to really piss someone off if they lie to you. That type of behavior doesn't engender peace.

Where do you get the idea that islam is a pacifist religion? It hasn't been from it's very inception.

Gene

ps edit:

Arafat cited as his model for that "peace" – as he has so often throughout his bloody career – the treaty signed by Muhammad with the Quraish tribe in Mecca in the 7th century at Hudaybiyah. "Let us remember the Hudaybiyah Conciliation Accord out of our concern for the national and pan-international solidarity with your people and your cause," Arafat told the group May 15. circa 2002

Hudaybiyah is a small oasis between Mecca and Medina where Muhammad fought a battle in the early years of Islam. When he saw he was fighting a losing battle, Muhammad signed a strategic 10-year peace agreement with the Quraish tribe who lived in Mecca. Two years later, when his forces were stronger and the Meccans were living securely and off their guard, Muhammad marched into the city and captured it.

There is a principle in Islam known as Takiya, the right to fake peace when you are weak for the purposes of defeating your enemy when you are stronger.

This is the only principle at work in Arafat's notions of "peace." It has always been the only principle at work in his notions of "peace."

[ovyyus]

Christian crusaders, both historically and in the present, show remarkable similarity with the actions of their Muslim brothers - they both lie, cheat, steal, rape, pillage and murder in the name of their "one true god".

As always, each side views their enemy as "godless animals" and each, therefore, sees no need to justify their acts of barbarism. Fanatical religious belief breeds intolerance - perhaps the real enemy is how religion is applied in order to justify bigotry and hate.

[Patrick]

I think there is a need to differentiate between "Christian Crusaders" and genuine Christians. True followers of Christ have never been associated with "lieing, stealing, cheating, raping, pillaging and murder" nor will they ever be associated with such things since by definition they are supposed to promote the opposite, ie. love, joy, peace, forgiveness, gentleness,etc. History has clearly shown that true followers of Christ have been the subject of persecution by the incumbent religious & political authority. True Christians are still persecuted in many countries today.
The "Christian Crusades" were politcal/religious/military campaigns carried out by armies of Catholic controlled/influenced countries. The Roman Catholic religion has a checkered history of nastiness including the torture and killing of genuine followers of Christ as heretics. Anything or anyone that opposed the 'Church' was open to persecution. Martin Luther, the founder of Protestantism opposed the Catholic church and was excommunicated.
I agree that: "Fanatical religious belief breeds intolerance" and that religion is very often applied in order to justify bigotry and hate.

[ovyyus]

I agree with you Patrick. Just as all Christians are not barbaric crusaders, so to all Muslims are not barbaric terrorists. Bigots don't see it that way though - they can not tolerate belief or culture different to their own and will take every opportunity to promote hate and division - hoping to gain strength from a silent opposition.