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Wheeler wrote:Snpssaini not so fast!
Where can we find ?
1 watch + 1 watch + 1 watch + 1 watch = My machine


Also your drawing does not show the 6sf size.
Wheeler,
Some clues are symbolic. If you translate them, you could not find anything.
I have already said my drawings are incomplete. Only 9th and 10th drawings will explain every thing.
Without incomplete drawing no one can solve this .......
These drawings are just for small clue.
Watch is also a indirect hint towards the mechanism.
The 6sf. you will see in 9th and 10th drawings.
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I make a perpetual motion machine. like b w. It is a very simple mechanism. It is on paper since 1998 . My first prototype is not working because of small error. Now I am trying to make its final working model .
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Wheeler wrote:I was thinking maybe only one arrangement would work if your drawings are the base for the model.

Question No. 1
Are weights inside and outside the machine?
It can be used inside and outside.
It depends on the model.
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I understand.

Question No, 2
Can we expect drawing 9 and 10 soon?
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Wheeler,
I think you are asking about drawing 9th and 10th.
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Snpssaini...

I do not think we are getting anywhere with the clues you have given us so far. When you mention a "watch" are you describing the kind that is worn on a person's wrist? This is all too vague for us.

I think we will need to see the 9th and 10th drawings to finally understand how your invention is supposed to work...


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On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:

Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
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Snpssaini,

I have some vague ideas about this thread and your perspective. In all fairness I should review the thread before I do that. Sometime this evening I'm going to do that. I hope you won't take it personally because that's not my intention. It's going to be an exacting judgement of what you've said. I'm going to try to keep it brief using simple expressions that are readily translated.

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ken_behrendt wrote:Snpssaini...

I do not think we are getting anywhere with the clues you have given us so far. When you mention a "watch" are you describing the kind that is worn on a person's wrist? This is all too vague for us.

I think we will need to see the 9th and 10th drawings to finally understand how your invention is supposed to work...


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When I mention a "watch" it means a watch, which is on clocktower.
Bessler was a clock maker.
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Snpssaini,

I'll skip the review of the thread and just share my thoughts. Learn a little english. Let me give you a quick lesson. A gift doesn't have strings attached. If it has strings attached it isn't a gift. If you want to give a gift cut the strings. If you're expecting something in return for your gift then it is no longer a gift. I'm not sure what you'd call it but stop calling it a gift.

It's sort of like forcing a woman to 'make love' to you. It's no longer love; its rape. Hope that little english lesson was helpful.

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Gene, why do you have to be so offensive? Please remember that this is a public forum and moderate your own conduct, so I don't have to.
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Scott,

There could be something in the difference of language or culture that is the problem yet to call something a gift then hold it out of reach or expect something for it is dishonest. You make no bones about my delivery being offensive. Allow me to make a point.

I don't care how nicely it's put; to say one thing yet do another is offensive to me. Now in this case there's really no harm because I'm not interested in the 'gift'. Also if someone actually had the nerve to give me a gift like that I'd tell them to keep it; to their face.

If someone wanted to barter that would be another matter. For instance I'll give you this new car if you suck up to me on a regular basis. In that case I might have to pass on the car too but I'm open to barter. To want to barter with a gift is a line where all sense breaks down.

I've been reading this and have frequently wanted to post my thoughts yet I held back. I made a forceful point. If you can see my point then perhaps you could put it in 'nicer' words. I wouldn't object to that.

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AgingYoung wrote:Learn a little english. Let me give you a quick lesson.
AgingYoung wrote:It's sort of like forcing a woman to 'make love' to you. It's no longer love; its rape. Hope that little english lesson was helpful.
First, you launch an ad hominem attack againt Snpssaini based on his country and language of origin, then you attempt to draw an anolgy between his conduct here on the board to that of raping a woman.

If you are a misogynistic racist, that is your own business. Please keep it out of this forum.
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Scott,

Actually I gave snpssaini the benefit of the doubt that perhaps because of a cultural difference or something lost in the translation of 'gift' there might be a misunderstanding. There was nothing ad hominem in it.

The analogy is rather clear although I might have chosen another one. Here's a good one and an actual case. My neighbor 'borrowed' some of my barbeque supplies off my porch without asking. He insisted he 'borrowed' it when I confronted him with the matter. The real snag in his reasoning is that if he 'borrows' my things without my knowledge or permission he's stealing it. In snpssaini's case he's said:
I make a perpetual motion machine. like b w. It is a very simple mechanism. It is on paper since 1998 . My first prototype is not working because of small error. Now I am trying to make its final working model .

and began this thread in part with this quote:
But it is a actual drawing of working model.


Usually when someone on this forum makes an assertion like that in red they have a little time to either come clean with proof or retract the admission. If they don't they end up with a worse reputation than Robert.

This, Scott, is an attempt to make me the point as opposed to my actual point with ad hominem.
If you are a misogynistic racist, that is your own business. Please keep it out of this forum.


Let me restate the point. Snpssaini clearly stated that he has a working model. I think that's a lie and that would make him a liar if that's the case. Ken made the point:
Your website states that your invention is a "gift" to the world from an Indian inventor.
but on this thread
I don't want any kind of financial help from anybody in making my prototype. But I expect that other members will suggest me that how I go for patent initially.
Next month I will arrange a good amount for this purpose. ( I am selling my property)
If anyone make me some good suggestions for this I will pay him after I go for patent.
A real question is why would you want ownership of a gift. The idea that this is a gift is not the case either. I honestly think that snpssaini's inability to understand what a working model or gift is beyond an inability to properly translate the words. I have also known several educated indians (hindu's) so I don't think this inability to communicate is cultural. None the less I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Also in this thread snpssaini made the point of being a repeat offender.
Last year there was no discusion on my drawings. People just saw the drawings and ignored them.

My real question is how can someone like snpssaini have a reputation better than Robert's? Sort of devalues the entire idea; gives it the sort of meaning snpssaini has for gift or working model. Meaningless tripe.

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Kudos for Scott.
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Gene,
I completely agree that snpssaini's conduct and claims so far have been dubious at best and deserving of much criticism. In your latest post you leveled that criticism in a respectable and persuasive way. Please keep it more civil in the future.
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Ralph,

Kudo's for Scott missing the point. I ate my super with a korean family sitting on the floor for about two years. The heilmani (sp) made me the traditional wedding outfit (even though I wasn't getting married) as a gift.

I played chess for the longest time with a hindu (an indian). The problem isn't with an indian. The problem is with a liar what ever nationality they are. I'm not too partial to theives either even if it's not me they're stealing from.

Gene

ps edit: Last edited by rlortie on Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:38 pm; edited 1 time in total. (94 percent) ....chewed the snot out of that one, eh Ralph? lol.
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