Yup! I sure did Gene, I got carried away as we all do sometimes and then had second thoughts. Best leave it alone and wait for a better frame of mind.
Basicly what I edited you made up for in the above post.
As for Snpssaini and his wheel, I see nothing different or worth my time than he posted last year. He claims he recieved no response then, as there was nothing to repond too, and there nothing to respond to now.
Some times I feel it is better for me, just to ignore Chicken Little, for the sky does not seem to be falling!
Ralph
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Ralph,
Basically what you edited I countered above. The idea that I'm racist is blarney. I also lived with that korean family. I worked like a son. I watched the man I called abagee(sp) die. Cancer.
Gene
Yup! I sure did Gene, I got carried away as we all do sometimes and then had second thoughts. Best leave it alone and wait for a better frame of mind.
Basicly what I edited you made up for in the above post.
As for Snpssaini and his wheel, I see nothing different or worth my time than he posted last year. He claims he recieved no response then, as there was nothing to repond too, and there nothing to respond to now.
Some times I feel it is better for me, just to ignore Chicken Little, for the sky does not seem to be falling!
Ralph
Basically what you edited I countered above. The idea that I'm racist is blarney. I also lived with that korean family. I worked like a son. I watched the man I called abagee(sp) die. Cancer.
Gene
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[It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.
[It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.
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Snpssaini...
You have indeed set a hard task. Just for the fun of it i have had a go at modelling the drawings with not much luck i must admit. I believe there must be cogs in it and by your description the cogs are the weights.
I am most perplexed and all i have to offer at this stage is to start with drawing Number One but which one?
Are there 24 spokes/sections to the wheel.
Is it bad if the wheel is round as your wheels seem slightly out of shape perhaps similar to the shape of Besslers meersenburg wheel drawing.
It will be good when you post some drawings that are to scale and the long awaited drawings 9 and 10.
Below is my interpretation of drawing 1
All the best Jimmy
You have indeed set a hard task. Just for the fun of it i have had a go at modelling the drawings with not much luck i must admit. I believe there must be cogs in it and by your description the cogs are the weights.
I am most perplexed and all i have to offer at this stage is to start with drawing Number One but which one?
Are there 24 spokes/sections to the wheel.
Is it bad if the wheel is round as your wheels seem slightly out of shape perhaps similar to the shape of Besslers meersenburg wheel drawing.
It will be good when you post some drawings that are to scale and the long awaited drawings 9 and 10.
Below is my interpretation of drawing 1
All the best Jimmy
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jimmyjj,
Where's the mouse?
Night.
Gene
Where's the mouse?
Night.
Gene
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[It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.
[It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.
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Gene
I think you would need one of those capybara's in Snpssaini's machine....:) hmmm i wonder how big the biggest Indian rodent is. LOL
I think you would need one of those capybara's in Snpssaini's machine....:) hmmm i wonder how big the biggest Indian rodent is. LOL
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Jimmyjj,jimmyjj wrote:Snpssaini...
Are there 24 spokes/sections to the wheel.
There can be 12 or more spokes/sections in the wheel.(it depends on your design)
I cannot describe internal details of the wheel that weather it is split axle or the axle go all the way through.
Now i have left this on to you guys that how you mange the clues and complete it.
If you translate the clues then you will not get the desired results.
There are many clues for even one thing its now upto you that how you can understand it.The result will be same from different clues.
I don't wanaa hurt anyone, everyone has the full right to express his/her personal views on me. I don't mind them.
I don't wanna react on everyone's reply but as far as the clues are concerned i will explain them partly ,don't accpect the full and direct explanations of the clues.
And very soon you will be able to see the final prototype.
I was just trying to share my experience with the forum,but meanwhile if i have hurted anyone then i am sorry for that. Because often one can mislead himself . As the things i wished to say might have hurted some people . I am not challenging anyone i am just sharing my entire experience in a fun way. Take this task as fun and not as a challenge.
snpssaini
I make a perpetual motion machine. like b w. It is a very simple mechanism. It is on paper since 1998 . My first prototype is not working because of small error. Now I am trying to make its final working model .
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It seems like Sanjay is gonna corner the market in hamster cages.
Or maybe his wheel runs on Karni Mata power!
Check this out and you'll see what I mean..........
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... vrats.html
I enjoy being taken for a ride!
Or maybe his wheel runs on Karni Mata power!
Check this out and you'll see what I mean..........
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... vrats.html
Is this because you are still building it?And very soon you will be able to see the final prototype.
Yeah, I'm having a great time.I am not challenging anyone i am just sharing my entire experience in a fun way. Take this task as fun and not as a challenge.
I enjoy being taken for a ride!
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Snpssaini
Are there 24 spokes/sections to the wheel
I was specifically referring to your "diagram 1 of 8"i realize there may be a large number of combinations to your machine and that your current build may be different to these diagrams.
From my point of view when modelling Diagram 1 the only number of spokes that fit with the picture you have given is 24.
This suggests to me that your Diagram 2 is NOT a front view of diagram 1 which is what i first thought i believe therefore that it is
another wheel or cage that has sixteen spokes which therefore must reside IMO inside or outside the 24 spoke wheel.
Your feedback enables me to ascertain the accuracy of your drawings.
However
"If you translate the clues then you will not get the desired results."
Are not the drawings clues and if i translate them i will not get results.
So there is no point progressing any further until you are willing to share more.
All the best
Jimmy
Are there 24 spokes/sections to the wheel
I was specifically referring to your "diagram 1 of 8"i realize there may be a large number of combinations to your machine and that your current build may be different to these diagrams.
From my point of view when modelling Diagram 1 the only number of spokes that fit with the picture you have given is 24.
This suggests to me that your Diagram 2 is NOT a front view of diagram 1 which is what i first thought i believe therefore that it is
another wheel or cage that has sixteen spokes which therefore must reside IMO inside or outside the 24 spoke wheel.
Your feedback enables me to ascertain the accuracy of your drawings.
However
"If you translate the clues then you will not get the desired results."
Are not the drawings clues and if i translate them i will not get results.
So there is no point progressing any further until you are willing to share more.
All the best
Jimmy
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Jimmyjj,
If you follow the clues the wheel will not work, as he has stated. The subject title of this thread is quite blatant, "Complete this drawing and make the machine".
It is up to you to complete for the answer has not been found. The clues are useless as they have no pre substantiating meaning.
Why not just ask, build me a design that looks something like this, for I think it might work. You do it as I am to lazy or incapable, but if I throw you the bait maybe you will take the hook. That hook has now become a net, holding all the fish that keep responding to the clues that have been described as not being worth following.
I agree with Coylo! you are being taken for a ride, and it is a game that is being enjoyed by the instigator.
Ralph
If you follow the clues the wheel will not work, as he has stated. The subject title of this thread is quite blatant, "Complete this drawing and make the machine".
It is up to you to complete for the answer has not been found. The clues are useless as they have no pre substantiating meaning.
Why not just ask, build me a design that looks something like this, for I think it might work. You do it as I am to lazy or incapable, but if I throw you the bait maybe you will take the hook. That hook has now become a net, holding all the fish that keep responding to the clues that have been described as not being worth following.
I agree with Coylo! you are being taken for a ride, and it is a game that is being enjoyed by the instigator.
Ralph
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Ralph...
You have advanced a rather interesting hypothesis! Could it be that, in reality, Snpssaini actually does not have a finished design for his wheel and is only posting his incomplete pictures here in an effort to "tap" our creative abilities to, hopefully, give him some ideas to try out? Well, if that was the case, then it would seem that his motives were rather sinister and our best response should be to ignore this thread or, better yet, have it moved to the Fraud Forum!
However, I'm still willing to give Snpssaini the benefit of the doubt. But, if he wants to suppress the growing suspicions that you brought up, then he should provide us with the remaining sketches so we can finally have a proper discussing of the merits of his design...
ken
You have advanced a rather interesting hypothesis! Could it be that, in reality, Snpssaini actually does not have a finished design for his wheel and is only posting his incomplete pictures here in an effort to "tap" our creative abilities to, hopefully, give him some ideas to try out? Well, if that was the case, then it would seem that his motives were rather sinister and our best response should be to ignore this thread or, better yet, have it moved to the Fraud Forum!
However, I'm still willing to give Snpssaini the benefit of the doubt. But, if he wants to suppress the growing suspicions that you brought up, then he should provide us with the remaining sketches so we can finally have a proper discussing of the merits of his design...
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
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Where are you snpssaini? We need more clues.
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Thomas...
We just have to be patient. I do believe that Snpssaini has something that is impressing him and does want to share the design. But, like most people here, he is probably wrestling with a dilemma. He may be wondering if he should share all of the details with strangers on the internet before he obtains a patent. But, then again, he may be seeking some preliminary verification of the design's workability before he risks the money to obtain a patent. It's hard to know what to do in a situation like this...one may not want to risk losing the financial rights to an idea, but one also does not want to waste money on patenting a device that is useless.
I am sure that Snpssaini will reveal all when he is ready...
ken
We just have to be patient. I do believe that Snpssaini has something that is impressing him and does want to share the design. But, like most people here, he is probably wrestling with a dilemma. He may be wondering if he should share all of the details with strangers on the internet before he obtains a patent. But, then again, he may be seeking some preliminary verification of the design's workability before he risks the money to obtain a patent. It's hard to know what to do in a situation like this...one may not want to risk losing the financial rights to an idea, but one also does not want to waste money on patenting a device that is useless.
I am sure that Snpssaini will reveal all when he is ready...
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
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And this is why you want to make a small "Briefcase size" of your model that you can simply set on the patent officers desk right in front of him. You will soon know if it is cost effective to patent.
Ralph
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"Believe nothing
merely because you have been told it
Or because it is traditional or because you yourself have imagined it
Do not believe what your teacher tells you
merely out of respect for the teacher
But whatever after due examination and analysis
you find to be conducive to the good,
the benefit, the welfare of all being
In that doctrine believe and cling to,
and take it as your guide".
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merely because you have been told it
Or because it is traditional or because you yourself have imagined it
Do not believe what your teacher tells you
merely out of respect for the teacher
But whatever after due examination and analysis
you find to be conducive to the good,
the benefit, the welfare of all being
In that doctrine believe and cling to,
and take it as your guide".
Gautama Budha
I make a perpetual motion machine. like b w. It is a very simple mechanism. It is on paper since 1998 . My first prototype is not working because of small error. Now I am trying to make its final working model .
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11th clue........
you can shift the CG, with the help of one lever, where ever you want.
Snpssaini
you can shift the CG, with the help of one lever, where ever you want.
Snpssaini
I make a perpetual motion machine. like b w. It is a very simple mechanism. It is on paper since 1998 . My first prototype is not working because of small error. Now I am trying to make its final working model .