Robert,
I'm very curious about the status of your current build. I think most people are also.
Gene
It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than trying to solely profit
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re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
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re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Gene,
Whatver. I've always tried to generate some excitement on the board without telling everthing. You may wonder about my lack of concern about admitting of setbacks?
Some may consider my posting of the details as I do, as "soap opera pollution", but I haven't come close to the build effort of Bessler himself...I have over 250 more tries if needed.
Right now I'm using the axle as a force filter and director to make it work. Very interesting way to get the "toothpick force".
robert
Whatver. I've always tried to generate some excitement on the board without telling everthing. You may wonder about my lack of concern about admitting of setbacks?
Some may consider my posting of the details as I do, as "soap opera pollution", but I haven't come close to the build effort of Bessler himself...I have over 250 more tries if needed.
Right now I'm using the axle as a force filter and director to make it work. Very interesting way to get the "toothpick force".
robert
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re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Robert...
Force filter and director?! Sounds interesting. Here's a question I have. Does your wheel's internal axle rotate along with the wheel or does it remain stationary while the disc of the wheel rotates about it?
ken
Force filter and director?! Sounds interesting. Here's a question I have. Does your wheel's internal axle rotate along with the wheel or does it remain stationary while the disc of the wheel rotates about it?
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Ken,
The wheel and axle are fixed together.
All forces in the wheel are "focused" at the dead center, and what I've done is "blurr" the focus a bit.
robert
The wheel and axle are fixed together.
All forces in the wheel are "focused" at the dead center, and what I've done is "blurr" the focus a bit.
robert
Robert (The Carpenter's Boy)
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Well, I guess you boys aren't interested in what I have...
ROBERT
ROBERT
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re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Robert...
I'm sure everybody here is interested in your design, but we need some more details in order to ask meaningful questions about it.
For example, you say that you are "blurring" the "focus" of the forces that are directed toward the wheel's center. I assume by this that the weights are in some sort of state of equilibrium that, normally, would cause their CG to be located at the wheel's axle, but that you've found a way to temporarily distort this equilibrium for weights at the, say, 9:00 or 3:00 positions. If so, then the problem you would have encountered, most likely, would be the creation of unexpected counter torques that exactly cancel out any driving torque that you derived from the dislocation of the weights' CG caused by your blurring of the forces acting on the weights.
Of course, I'm only guessing about this because I do not know exactly what your design looks like or what its actual principle of operation is supposed to be. As you share more of the details, your fellow members will be able to ask more questions and provide more support for you efforts.
ken
I'm sure everybody here is interested in your design, but we need some more details in order to ask meaningful questions about it.
For example, you say that you are "blurring" the "focus" of the forces that are directed toward the wheel's center. I assume by this that the weights are in some sort of state of equilibrium that, normally, would cause their CG to be located at the wheel's axle, but that you've found a way to temporarily distort this equilibrium for weights at the, say, 9:00 or 3:00 positions. If so, then the problem you would have encountered, most likely, would be the creation of unexpected counter torques that exactly cancel out any driving torque that you derived from the dislocation of the weights' CG caused by your blurring of the forces acting on the weights.
Of course, I'm only guessing about this because I do not know exactly what your design looks like or what its actual principle of operation is supposed to be. As you share more of the details, your fellow members will be able to ask more questions and provide more support for you efforts.
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
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re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Rob...for crying out loud, I have no idea what you want from the people here...I follow your stuff when you put something up. I have no input/opinion for something I know absolutely nothing about. Basically, you haven't said anything...I don't blame you if you really think you are on to something here...I just don't get the attitude when you know your not providing any substance. If you want a fan club...sorry, I'm not the guy for that...anymore than you would like to be relegated to that by someone else. Sorry, I think you have some things you'd love to say, but won't...I just don't get the attitude...
Steve
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re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Robert,
it is true that you never received any input for four days on your February, 24th posting. That is not to say that some of us are not interested. I for one have always been interested in your designs even though not unlike others I debate both the negative and positive aspects with them.
I am interested in your ideas and what you do in the empirical nature of your fabricating skills. You say that you have focused the weights near the axle but yet it is somewhat of a blur.
I imagine that possibly you have understood the reasoning for an oversized 8" diameter axle that could actually absorb or hide a four pound weight that is less than half the axles hollow interior dimensions. Such a combination would certainly reduce the lifting torque as well as exploit the term "COG" in it's true sense.
If your conceptions are leading in the direction I feel that you are heading, I am very interested.
Ralph
it is true that you never received any input for four days on your February, 24th posting. That is not to say that some of us are not interested. I for one have always been interested in your designs even though not unlike others I debate both the negative and positive aspects with them.
I am interested in your ideas and what you do in the empirical nature of your fabricating skills. You say that you have focused the weights near the axle but yet it is somewhat of a blur.
I imagine that possibly you have understood the reasoning for an oversized 8" diameter axle that could actually absorb or hide a four pound weight that is less than half the axles hollow interior dimensions. Such a combination would certainly reduce the lifting torque as well as exploit the term "COG" in it's true sense.
If your conceptions are leading in the direction I feel that you are heading, I am very interested.
Ralph
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re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Robert, I'll give you a little tip.....Well, I guess you boys aren't interested in what I have...
ROBERT
Stop hiding behind useless jargon......all we get is words.
Example......
Now......what the hell does that mean?All forces in the wheel are "focused" at the dead center, and what I've done is "blurr" the focus a bit.
If you want to attract our attention rather than irritate us, I'd recommend posting up a few pictures of your current build. Now than doesn't mean that you have to give its working method away, but maybe a picture of the exterior or a view from the side.
Good diagrams and photos is the secret to highly regarded threads.
Currently, it seems to me that you want to keep posting useless tripe just to keep your souless thread top of the tree in "general discussion", and it always seems that your in a constant sulk and whinge mode...?
If you take what I've just mentioned on board and act on it, then maybe I just might begin to respect you. (a little bit)
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ovyyus/Bill
May I have your permission to use your interpretation/drawing of MT60 on the website, G..P..W...com?
ROBERT
May I have your permission to use your interpretation/drawing of MT60 on the website, G..P..W...com?
ROBERT
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re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
I for one, am of a forgiving nature, but the things that were said to me found open wounds. I am a man well into my seventies. I was called a crackpot many times. I was always able to get up and make them eat crow. I am too old to fight. I am even too old to be a lover. At the present time, I DO NOT have a running machine. I will inform Ralph when one of these run and he can do as he will with it. jim kelly
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Mr. Ovyyus,
May I use your interpretation of MT60 on one of my websites?
I don't want to send a private message or join a private forum/clique to get an answer.
Well, I could always draw my own interpretation.
ROBERT
May I use your interpretation of MT60 on one of my websites?
I don't want to send a private message or join a private forum/clique to get an answer.
Well, I could always draw my own interpretation.
ROBERT
Robert (The Carpenter's Boy)
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Well Robert, the chances are pretty good that Bill does not check the new posts in this thread. If you want his attention I suggest you email or PM him.
But then I guess that that would make you the private clique type, right?
-Scott
But then I guess that that would make you the private clique type, right?
-Scott
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"Liberty is the Mother, not the Daughter of Order."
- Pierre Proudhon, 1881
"To forbid us anything is to make us have a mind for it."
- Michel de Montaigne, 1559
"So easy it seemed, once found, which yet unfound most would have thought impossible!"
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re: It Would Be More Noble To Clear J. Bessler's Name, than
Well, Scott, I think the chances are pretty good that he checks new posts here.
Like you, I have about 100 things that my website tells me about visitors. IP address is only one of many. All I've had to do is compare...
Of course, ip address is no guarantee of a visitor's identity, like with Torque Seeker. Anybody, can share login info and computers...just to sit back and watch the high and mighty point the finger.....
LOL
ROBERT
Like you, I have about 100 things that my website tells me about visitors. IP address is only one of many. All I've had to do is compare...
Of course, ip address is no guarantee of a visitor's identity, like with Torque Seeker. Anybody, can share login info and computers...just to sit back and watch the high and mighty point the finger.....
LOL
ROBERT
Robert (The Carpenter's Boy)
There's never time to do it right the first time, but there's always time to do it over again.
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Fine point, Robert. If my wife were to join this forum we'd have the same ip from time to time. It varies depending on which one road runner gives us. She has no interest in this sort of nonsense but I could probably talk her into it. I don't know what I'd end up having to do in exchange ....
Gene
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[It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.
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