First impressions about this forum

[murilo]

Hi, Niente! Welcome to BW!
Very interesting is your nick-name that means ''nothing'' in english.
We all know very well what can do a silent italian in a thread...
Take care!
Alguri. M.

[ken_behrendt]

Jonathan...

I liked your idea of establishing priority to an invention by publishing its schematic in major newspapers around the world. But, that might actually cost more than a patent in the long run! I think to keep my costs down, I'll have to settle for a post on this Discussion Board.

I vaguely remember that there was an inventor who tried a similar approach to the one you suggest. I think it happened sometime during the '70's. He had invented a working (he claimed) magnetic motor that used some novel method of shielding the magnets to prevent counter torques. Well, to make a long story shorter, he managed to have a description of the device "read" into the Congressional Record. I wish I had more details on this incident and, preferably, a sketch of the device.


ken

[ovyyus]

Nice pickup there murilo. Luckily we don't need "nothing" to have a little chat amongst ourselves :)

I think the newspaper approach would be expensive and slow compared to what can be achieved with the internet. Information can be so easily disseminated on the internet, virtually without cost, to millions of people in an instant. Also, I think that automatic priority copyright dating of your claim on multiple internet sites would be at least as good as any newspaper publication.

[winkle]

publishing in a small non discript magazine is a better approach.......if you don't tell enyone no one else will know the idea has been published.......this will establish prior art.........this leaves all you're options open.........then you can pursue a patent at you're leisure........you would have one year in the U.S.......you might won't to request that it not be published.......that would give you about eighteen months to peddle the idea without everybody an his dog trying to shoot you down......if you plain to give the idea away ......don't tell eny one you had it published proving prior art then you can take years to give it away if you chose...you're prior art will waltz through the leagle system.......be sure to get several copys to hang onto

[Wheeler]

winkle
Would it matter how small the magazine is?

Would the published article be considered prior art by the patent office?

If it was someones idea and he were the first to publish it in a small magazine, dose this establish any rights if you file within one year?

This sounds like one could do this and then file for a patent within a year.

[winkle]

the date it is published would be the date for you're art.....if you have proper paper work going back before you publish it will give you a earlier art date........you can publish in the green sheet or the nickle sheet or playboy........does not matter publishing is publishing........the only thing about publishing in something no one reads is mabe you're the only one that counts that knows it was published........this is public disclosure you have one year in the US after disclosing.......on the other hand who is going to look in the nickle sheet for the blueprint on perpetual motion......if you waited two years and someone else claimed to be the inventor you would have prior art......in the patent office provable dates are everything........that late in the game there would be no patent but you could prove you were the inventor.........if you disclose before you file for patent you get one year in america but probly lose most or all patent rights in other countrys.........my guess is that when someone files a for real pm patent they will spend the next twenty years in court trying to defend it unless they make a deal with general eletric or an equal

[Jonathan]

You guys, I didn't say "newpapers". And I'm aware that it is cheaper to distribute stuff on the net, that is the primary distribution; the newpaper distribution is just incidental, it would only be done to establish the date.
Bill, you may be right thatdates can be established electronically, but I don't understand the minutiae of computers enough to be sure, or to do it right, and neither does a jury. But any dope (as proven by Jay Leno's "Headlines" on Monday nights) can have something printed, and any juror can understand that a possible lair will be unable to establish his date of inception before the newspaper date, so it is simple and fool-proof in court (or at least seems as such).
But the day after it's published, you email and post a bunch, maybe you make some flyers and tape them up all over, dial random phone numbers, etc. (just joking about the last one :D).
And I just thought of something else that would be fun: imagine, for argument's sake, that all crop circles are hoaxes. It'd be hilarious to be the first guy to have done that huh (lets say you did it in a field of grass, w/o property damage)? What if you made a beautifully crafted PMM, were careful to leave little evidence that would lead to you as the maker, and did something strange with it? Like put it in the middle of a intersection in the boonies, or hanged it from a tree in a public park.
Maybe I just have a goofy sense of humor.

[AgingYoung]

yep

[Michael]

Like put it in the middle of a intersection in the boonies, or hanged it from a tree in a public park.
Maybe I just have a goofy sense of humor.

I have the same sense of humour.

[rlortie]

Ken, Ovyyus,

I do not understand what you mean when referring to cost to have something such as a PMM published.

If I were to invent such a machine the newspapers and magazines of relevant nature will beat down my door to publish what I have.

Magazines will pay you for the story and soon books of your biography would follow with royalties pouring in. You would receive compensation for interviews and endorsements.

It is the scammers who claim to have a working device that have to pay to get publicity. And that is how you spot them. I feel that if I have it, and the media knows about it, I will not have to solicit for investment funds.

Ralph

[ovyyus]

I do not understand what you mean when referring to cost to have something such as a PMM published...

Jonathan was referring to a newspaper publication as a means to establish a priority date, rather than a means to advertise or promote. The media frenzy would happen later - or not - depending on a bunch of variables.

[niente]

Hi all,
thank you very much for all your answers! I'm very happy to hear that there are people here with the same ideas I have!

Turulato, you wrote:
"And what would you do with the knowledge of a working design? Give it away? To whom? Us? What does an "open minded" person do?"

I can tell you what would I do if I had build a working prototype:
I would try to share this knowledge with all, mainly using internet. I would shoot movies of the working machine, I would publish photos and schemes on forums, I would create sites and send mails to all newspapers and magazines, etc etc.....
I would not worry about patents: we are talking about a machine that could solve, one time for all, all energy problems we have at no cost. So who cares if someone else gets the patent?
We could build our personal machine anyway, at our home, and produce all the electricity we need (the Bessler wheel is a simple machine). And think about African people, that could bring water into deserts etc... they have to survive, these patent laws are less important for them, I think.
After that the knowledge on how to build it is around, no one can REMOVE it. This is the important fact.
So patents, paternity, money, are just not a problem (at least for me). I want to share the knowledge, nothing else really matters.
This is the spirit driving me, I want to find a method to give a better future to humanity and to our sons. Maybe I'm too idealist, but I like to be so. World needs idealist people too! ;-)

Again, thank you for all your replies! And sorry if you'll meet me in this forum only from time to time... Sorry also for my mistakes in writing, as someone else noted, I'm Italian.

Greets from nothing..... ehm..... Niente

[ovyyus]

Very good niente!

[albente]

otherwise I really can't see the reason why all these "closed-mind" people are frequenting this forum

I guess the fact that any mind finds this forum excludes the definition of yours by default.

reality is that those who approach free energy are the last that keep their mind in place vs. those that keep supporting the insane burnoff of carbohydrates up to to the point of no return.