I see your point. One can reduce the amount of luck one needs to find a solution by narrowing the area that one is searching in.
That wasn't my point. My point was that if you have a clear direction and use your skills you aren't relying on luck. On the other hand if you're trying every possible solution that comes to mind you are.
I see you've skimmed over the point so I'll give another analogy. If you tried to find the x,y intersection of two curves by trial and error you'd be very lucky to have solved the problem. If on the other hand you described the curves with equations then solved them for their intersection it wouldn't be luck. Are you 'lucky' for being able to use your mind and find a solution? I guess you might say it's the luck of the draw you have a brain and are curious and have developed your abilities. A lot of people are 'lucky' like that.
Gene
Working Model 2D
[It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.
That's so not right. :) It does explain a lot though.
I would like to give the forum a gift. I think I've discovered one of the kingdoms that Bessler mentioned. The gift I want to give isn't what I think that kingdom is. The gift is this: Think a little more along those lines. I think that in that understanding you'll see a way to exchange vertical distance for horizontal.
A side gift is this: If you have the same understanding of what I think that one kingdom is you'll know what the other kingdoms are. I'd like to be less vague but there is at least a million dollars riding on this solution. I'm not that nice.
Gene
Working Model 2D
[It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.
fAt,
GE Debt/Equity: 3.39 (Debt/Equity Ratio: A measure of a company's leverage, calculated by dividing long-term debt by common shareholders' equity, commonly using the data from the previous fiscal year.)
I don't follow GE but it seems like the last time I looked they owed twice as much as they're worth. They owe $370,866,000,000 in long term debt now. I'm sure they'd love a neat idea to help them manage all that debt. My point is that if you own 1% of GE you own debt! They might be willing to mortgage a little more of their future earnings to buy the idea outright from you if it can generate significant power.
If you prove to the Randi organization that gravity isn't a conservative force they'll give you a million. I think that's a good payday and I'd sell the idea short for that.
Gene
Working Model 2D
[It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.
Well if they're debt to equity ratio is 3.39 then they'd owe 3.39 X what they're worth wouldn't they? Heck with that much debt it would be an easy sell. You just tell them "what the heck is another zero!" :0)
fAt
I've been thinking about a Bessler clue, 'do it a little differently.' I think that's one of the clues. Also I think I've read that Bessler claimed to find an out of balanced wheel where others failed to find it. I have a train of thought along those two lines and it isn't going thru the middle. It will be an out of balanced wheel.
They say a wise man when he's beginning something counts the cost to see if he can afford the project. That way he doesn't half finish it and have everyone laugh at him. I plan on using 9 drinking straws, 6 ¼ inch shot, 3 aol cd's (free), 14 straight pins and a little hot melt glue. I think I've got this build covered.
Gene
Working Model 2D
[It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.
I have to take this as meaning that his secret mechanism is only a small modification to the many overbalanced weight mounted lever designs that others had tried, but which were unworkable. Bessler saw a common problem in all of those wheels that his nifty little secret mechanism overcame. Right now, it seems that the most that we know about it is that there were two weights near each other at 8 positions around the rim of his wheels. One weight was the principle driving weights while the other performed the function of shifting the first. When the final secret is revealed, I predict that we will all kick ourselves for not having realized it all along...
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
My wife and I celebrated at pappadeaux's last night and there was guy wearing a tee shirt with einstein on it. einstein had a thought bubble and was thinking, 'nothing in the universe moves faster than the speed of light.' Beside that was an arrow pointing at einstein and the statement, 'I'm with stupid.' I thought it was pretty funny. Actually I was that guy.
When you said, 'Right now, it seems that the most that we know...' I disagree. And when you said, 'When the final secret is revealed, I predict that we will all kick ourselves for not having realized it all along... ' I do agree. I think that what the mechanism will do for the world is to cause a fundamental shift in the way people look at things.
Gene
Working Model 2D
[It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.
ken_behrendt wrote:Gene...
If I had been him, I would have drastically lowered the asking price for my invention. Instead of demanding 100,000 thalers in a "take it all or leave it" deal, I would have asked for, say, 20,000 thalers and a generous percentage of all future profits on the use of the idea.
ken
Most of all successful businesses are based on the accumulation of small transactions rather than waiting for one large one that might or might not happen. In German this is known as 'Kleinvieh macht auch Mist'.
Bessler could have proposed manufacturing his wheel large scale backed by the Thalers from a wealthy investor rather than to wait for a one time deal, namely to sell out and be done with it. Competition would have appeared, sure, but this is where he could have picked the most wealthy of investor(s)as partners on the grounds that their chances to dominate the market whould be highest through the power of their financial muscle, starting an internal competition that could have worked to HIS advantage.
Put the shoe on the other foot: Would you spend a gigantic fortune (if you had it) on something that might turn out a fraud or would you be more willing to invest in the whole project gradually?
One of Bessler's problems was the apparent simplicity of the design. Who would pay a large sum of money for a machine that anyone with a few skills could manufacture? Imagine it - this rich guy pays the money and gets the wheel. He builds a few himself but of course he can't stop people looking at them and learning how they worked and gong away to replicate them.
Newcomen had the same problem with his steam engine and he tried to keep the secret within the family. Only they, were entrusted to go out into Europe and build the things. Even so, gradually the construction methods got out and others began to make them too.
