The Bessler Curse

[Wheeler]

If the weights are locked on rim, it will just act like a pendulum.
Rock to about 9 and back and forth till it stops.

[winkle]

Wheeler
this is not like eny of Ken's designs or any others i have seen

to 9:00 thank you

those right side weights are only in fixed position till they reach the bottom then they are free to move

[Wheeler]

yes I know

[ken_behrendt]

Guys...

I tested a large variety of wheels that used single weights on levers and found out the hard way that they are unworkable for a variety of reasons. Mainly, however, they require an energy input to reset a weight against its inner stop on the ascending side of the wheel and this then uses up any energy one might have gotten from the wheel being momentarily out of balance.

I would say that, at a minimum, one must surround the rim of one's wheel with individual mechanisms each of which contain two weights that shift each other.

Yes, Bessler's design was simple...but, not too simple or it would have been rediscovered a long time ago...


ken

[AgingYoung]

Go perpetual on abc
This one's worth a million dollars also.

[Clarkie]

Ken,
I think he had 3 weights and a spring per set x 8

Pete.

[ken_behrendt]

Clarkie...

I think I tried a few designs in the past that had a total of 3 weights per each of the wheel's 8 mechanisms. They were cumbersome to work with and, of course, did not work.

I have now settled on the idea that there were only 2 weights per each of the 8 mechanisms. I call them the "shifter" and the "drive" weights. This number also seems to fit in with the remark of Bessler about the wheel being powered by a "pair of pairs". I assume that the first pair refers to two mechanisms in opposition to each other and located on opposite side of the wheel. The second pair refers to the two weights within each mechanism.


ken

[Clarkie]

Ken,
Our views are different and I think you should think of Besslers words as being very cryptic.

Pete.

[jim_mich]

Ken's mind is like a bear trap. Once he decides, for whatever reason, that something is a certain way, there is little chance of prying his mind back open.

[Jon J Hutton]

I'll post this here because I'm not sure where else this fits.

I'm using this in my current wheel I'm working on and thought I would pass it by for your critical opinion. The idea is to use it as a counter balance for a rocking wheel to correct the center of gravity to the side I need it to be on.

What do you think.

[SeaWasp]

Jon.. I love it!

This mechanism truly shows a positive shifting CoG mechanism! The CoG is not fixed to a certain point as in most other designs. If you could combine this mechanism with a scissor jack and shifter weights, you perhaps could get that large "positive" shift in CoG that is required!

Spiros.

[Fletcher]

Jon .. was there any text as well ? If so sorry, I missed it.

[ken_behrendt]

Jim wrote:

Ken's mind is like a bear trap. Once he decides, for whatever reason, that something is a certain way, there is little chance of prying his mind back open.

Yes, I must confess that this is true. However, I've met many people in my time that would jump from idea to idea hoping that the answer would just jump up and bite them. I prefer to take my time and try to do as in-depth an analysis as my abilities and equipment will allow me to do on a particular approach. Yes, its a stubborn philosophy, but I'd hate to change my mind about an approach and then find out later that I had been on the right train, but did not make it to the right destination because I decided to get off prematurely and hop aboard another train headed in the wrong direction.

Even when I review the work I've done here on the board, I find that I keep coming back to the same type of designs. They are simple collections of weights, levers, stops, springs, and, lately, pulleys. I think that if one makes it simpler than this or more complicated than this, then one is starting to get off that "right" train that will lead to a successful destination.

Well, each of us must do what we have to do. If I can persuade someone to follow my approach, then good. And, if someone can persuade me to follow their approach then...good. But, it takes something fairly impressive to get me to switch trains.


ken

[jim_mich]

Ken, one of my personal beliefs it "Thou shall not lead others astray." What this means to me is many things in life are not absolutely true or false. Many things are a matter of perspective, opinion or personal preferences based on past experiences. In these regards I do not try to change other people's beliefs, for it may be that their beliefs are right and mine are wrong. I certainly do not want to be responsible for leading them astray from truth.

Since we do not know which train is the "right" train I prefer to ride any and all trains that appear to be going to any interesting destination. There is nothing preventing one from riding multiple trains.

[ken_behrendt]

Jim...

I do not want to lead anyone "astray". I would never promote a certain approach unless I, myself, was not personally using it.

When it comes to determining which train is the "right" one, we must, of course, each follow our own instincts. I am, however, always prepared to get off my current train when I have finally realized that it is heading in the wrong direction and then to board another that, at the time, seems to be heading in the right direction.

I find it hard (actually impossible) to ride on several trains at once. I find that ,when I do try to do that, I tend to pay less attention to each train and whether the ride is satisfactory or not. I've been on many different trains in the past. I am 100% convinced, at the moment, that I am on the right train and am morally and ethically compelled to proclaim this to as many as possible so that they will not continue to ride along on a wrong train whose destination will only disappoint them...


ken