Overbalanced wheels, a waste of time ?

[ME]

This is really a crazy forum.

We just live in a crazy world.
We want to have a clean environment, but we use for example plastic bags and drive cars.
We want to be healthy and alive, but fear overpopulation.
We want to be elevated and enlightened, but crush others in the process.
etc.
We have evolved consciousness out of fear, it helped us survive.
We are just a contradictio in terminus.

For all we humans have created on this planets, there ain't much of value.

I would say: Let us start create some value in this world; let's start with a Perpetuum Mobile.

I just put my latest idea into wm2d....

Make it to work, and let us all know it is yours. (and keep a prototype somewhere save). Good luck!

PS. Good words Ken.

[spinner361]

My curent design, which does not with air resistance, is self-starting with no air resistance and actually accelerates slightly for a long time before the rotation speed levels out. The weights come into the center from 6:00 and go straight up above the axis slightly, then shoot out horizontally in an almost straight line at 2:00. This is when running in its intended direction, althought surprisingly in also runs in reverse. The switching occurs very fast with or without springs, and this is the point at which the wheel turns the fastest in its cycle. The original idea was that this would be the slowest part of the cycle, but I learned a few tricks along the way such as making weights travel in the path I desire and storing energy for later use. Perhaps if I hinder the release the stored energy by splitting it up I can even out the spinning speed and have a chance at air resistance.

I have started thinking about other ideas because of the air resistance thing, but I keep thinking that I am so close. What is the one little bit of kick I can add? The only thing I can think of is a hammer that shoots out straight from the axis. I believe this would prevent counter-torque. The springs I experimented with are stretched and contracted in line with the axis and they did not seem to negatively affect the spin, but instead made it self-starting and increased the switching speed in a snapping fashion. Perhaps I can figure out how to extend the energy from the snapping instead of letting it quickly die. Perhaps the snap can kick off the hammer.

[AgingYoung]

I think I heard a quote someone once made that said that anyone who achieves success in life and does not attribute a large share of it to luck is a liar.

I heard something like that but it goes...

The more I try the luckier I get.

If you want to find perpetual motion and proceed to model every possible permutation of levers, cams, ramps, pulleys, screws, gears, etc. you most definitely will be lucky to have any success. You won't live long enough to even touch what's possible. On the other hand if you have an intelligent design of a premise that if it (your premise) is possible perpetual motion is the product, you've drastically decreased (if not all together eliminated) the odds.

If your goal is perpetual motion you're probably not going to have success. If your goal is something that will cause perpetual motion you're not going to be that lucky to figure out how to accomplish that. Are you lucky in your speculation (that an idea will cause perpetual motion)? Maybe you're just blessed with a brain that works.

Gene

[spinner361]

My spirit is rekindled. In one quarter turn I can lift up a weight three times heavier than the descending weight, not to mention the previous descending weight. They are different distances from the axis, but hear me out. This has been present for a long time - this is just a new way of thinking. If I can lift three times the weight, maybe I could put a fraction of the weight up on a shelf in one quarter turn, then move it up another quarter turn while bringing up another fraction of the weight, then collect a few at the top, then release the motherload. This is not a constant lifting and falling like I have seen in the MTs. That would be one heck of a reusable push ball. A heavy 'starter' push ball makes this thing run very fast. I may be crazy. I may gain nothing. It is way past my bedtime.

[spinner361]

OK. So there is no way I can sleep now. How about this: all of the weight shifting is used to keep momentum from slowing down while miniscule amounts of weight are carried up to gather at the top. Just like a toilet, when the weight on top becomes too much.... Flush! The shotgun shoots! the bow twangs! This certainly would make a lot of noise on the descending side.

Shelf? I think knick-knacks usually go on shelves. The dog! Buying? Is the dog doing the selling? Rain drops fall? Snow? Lazy horses (large amounts of weight) waiting around to become mice (small amounts of weight) that are snatched up by the cat? Is the cat the ascending weight and does the dog end up getting what was snatched (after all, the cat cannot keep it forever)? If the dog gets it and runs to the end of his chain, he is going to be awfully heavy - like a horse.

Just guessing (of course)... This could be completely coded and maybe nothing can be literally interpreted.

[AgingYoung]

Spinner360+1,

If you'd want some serious comment you're going to have to speak english. You might try some other language but you'd have to actually use the language. You can't make things up as you go along.

Or if you'd just like to talk to yourself and use the forum to do that well....

Gene

[spinner361]

Please clarify - Are you asking for clarification?

[spinner361]

Wow. That was pretty bad on my part. I was pretty tired. Now I have a full 3.5 hours of sleep and can think less fuzzy. I have a new idea to add to my current design, and I may be way off but I see many resemblances to Bessler's words. Hopfully this is easier to understand:

I am guessing the dog running to the end of its leash is the weight that travels away from the axis for the downward push. That weight, when ascending, takes on a new role - the cat. The cat snatches mice which are tiny amounts of weight. The mice are placed upon a shelf like knick-knacks where they accumulate. When the shelf gets too many weights, the shotgun shoots and releases the load, making the bow twang which dumps a load of all the tiny weights at once. This load may be considered full of horses now, because horses are used to do work. Or maybe it is now considered the dog's toys. Regardless, the load is transferred to the dog. The dog takes the load out to the end of its leash. The weights get dropped off at the bottom when the dog wags its tail and the load of weights are dumped where they separate. The wieghts are then plump lazy horses that roll around at the bottom while they wait to be snatched up as mice.

Is this better?

[ME]

Offtopic, but maybe nice to know:
E=m·C²; E=h·f;
f=m·C²/h
C=299792458 [m/s] (lightspeed)
h=6.626068 E-34 [m²kg/s] (Planck constant)
f [Hz] (frequency); E [J] (Energy); m [kg] (Mass)

So Mass is a vibrating (Ether-) Energy with a speed of: (m· 1.356 E+50) [Hz]

[AgingYoung]

Statistically speaking anything that has a probability of greater than 10 to the 48th power is impossible. I think that's an impossible vibration.

Gene

[ME]

Well, this formula should be used on small particles.
Proton: 1.6726*10-27 kg --> 2.2687*10+23 Hz
Electron 0.0009*10-27 kg -->1.2208*10+20 Hz

Does it help?

[Jon J Hutton]

This message is to our moderator,

I would like to talk more freely to just the people who are working on the same thing (wheel) as I am without the world dropping in to see whats up and whats new. Would there be any way that just a forum could be available to members with say more than 100 posts......a more confidential think tank....and yes I know 100 posts would exclude me.

curious

[jim_mich]

Jon,

Scott provides us with a mixture from very private to fully exposed.

You can have your own private forum here where you control who can enter.

The Community Buzz forum has a little privacy since only memebers can see it.

The General Discussion forum if viewable by the whole world.

[ken_behrendt]

Gene wrote:

Statistically speaking anything that has a probability of greater than 10 to the 48th power is impossible.

From what I remember of my courses in statistics and probability theory, anything with a probability of 1.000 was certain to exist and anything with a probability of 0.000 could never exist. The probable nature of an event only could be considered when its probability was between 0 and 1.


Jon...

I recommend that, like me, you start a thread down in the Community Buzz forum. Generally, I do not like limiting who can read my material, but if some one is not interested in the topic enough to join this Discussion Board so that they can access the Community Buzz forum, then they probably wouldn't be interested in my material anyway.



ken

[AgingYoung]

Ken,

To put the idea of 10 to the 48th power in perspective....

• 3,153,600 (3.1 * 10^6) seconds in a year.
• 630,720,000,000,000,000 (6.3 * 10^17) seconds in 20 billion years.
• 1,585,489,599,188,229,325,215,626,585,489.6 times that creation could have existed if it has existed for 20 billion (20 * 10^9) years and if there were 10^48 seconds to use.
• 10^48 is a huge number.

If there is a one in one chance that something could happen then it will. If there is a zero chance in one that something will happen it won't. If there's one chance in 10^48 occurences that something is going to happen that's about the same as there being a zero chance in one that it will happen. It's considered a statistical impossibility.

Gene

edit: Accomplishing the impossible means only the boss will add it to your regular duties.