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Ken, again, no disrespect, just simple disbelief that someone with your reasoning ability.......cannot, or simply will not address the 'bizarre logic' that accompanies both Israel's and the ruling elite of America's substantial role in the world's press toward the precipice.


Actually, most Americans are unaware that many high income christian fundamentalist groups in the US regularly channel million of dollars into the elections in Israel in an effort to strengthen the hard line right wing politicians over there. Why? Because they seem to think that, with the right Israeli politicians in control of the government there, they can finally deport the 2.4 million Palestinians from their territories and then that would allow the ancient kingdom of Israel to be re-established according the the borders given in the Old Testament books of the Bible. Once this minor detail is taken care of, then, surely, Jesus will finally return and the Second Coming can take place as predicted in the New Testament. Like me, they are bothered by the failure of Jesus' major prophecy to have taken place during the last 1900+ years. Unlike me, they are not content to accept that it will not take place, but want to actually try to "force" it to take place!

That kind of "logic" is, in my opinion, very dangerous and the last thing that is needed in the Holy Lands and the Middle East. I favor a two state solution to the Israeli / Palestinian mess and it seems to me that it is the Palestinians, not the Israelis, that are mostly the problem with implementing it. Eventually, the Israelis will return all of the Palestinian lands that were captured in the '67 Arab/Israeli War and, I bet, that the attacks against the Israelis will still continue.

Now we have the president of a major, and soon to be nuclear unless stopped, military power in the Middle East publicly stating such ridiculous things like the Holocaust never took place and that Israel should be wiped off of the map. I suspect that rhetoric is based upon Iran's religious leaders' interpretation of the muslim equivalent of "end time" prophecies and is just as dangerous as Christian prophetic interpretations that anticipate global warfare between religious groups.

This is one of the reasons that I always try to advocate keeping one's focus on the moral and ethical teachings of the great faiths and not on distorted interpretations of their various prophecies. This is a new world were ancient failed prophecies just do not fit in. We have to concentrate on getting along with each other and working for our common good.




Well, on a different topic, has everybody noticed what is happening to the price of crude oil lately?

Yesterday, on the New York Mercantile Exchange, oil futures hit a record high of $71.35 USD per barrel and I just saw on this morning's cable tv financial news that the price of a barrel of the Brent crude oil (most of what Brittain uses) was up to $74 USD! All of this is, apparently, due to the rising "tensions" in the Middle East and experts are predicting that $100 USD per barrel oil is not far away.

Gasoline prices in the US are currently approaching $3 USD per gallon, but at $100 USD per barrel of oil, the gasoline price at the pump could reach $4+ USD per gallon.

This, of course, will translate into additional problems for the US's ailing automotive companies as the sales of the formerly profitable SUV's continue to plummet. The automotive industry has many smaller manufacturing companies associated with it and the chain reaction will, no doubt, result in many layoffs or plant closures across the US taking place. Just what we need during a time of record budget deficits as the "war" on terrorism drags on.

And, those price projections for oil and gasoline assume that there is no attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. When there finally is, there is no telling what the price of gasoline, worldwide, will go to!


Meanwhile, Osama sits in his safehouse and watches the events of our times play out on the various Arab language television stations. He praises Allah and smiles contentedly knowing that his plans to bankrupt the Western powers are proceeding smoothly...



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He praises Allah and smiles contentedly knowing that his plans to bankrupt the Western powers are proceeding smoothly...

I would amend your advertisement to read thusly:

They, (George Bush and company) praise the devil and smile contentedly knowing that their plans to spiritually, morally and financially bankrupt the remaining few in western society with any vertebrae still in vertical alignment.....are proceeding smoothly.

Ken, I notice your allegiance to 'keepin it real'.....shallow, that is. Do you like....work for the alphabet agencies full time or on a contingency basis?



Seriously.



Sad fact is....so many DO work for them gleefully without even knowing it.



Wake up, even Joe Blow on the street knows he has only to look at the white house to know whose bankrupting the people.....as for 'western powers'....the only 'Bankruptcy' they must endure is a spirtual and moral one. The money's being squirreled away in a manner only befitting the completely compromised bunch they are, while they and their Big Oil cronies like Exxon/Mobil and other megacorp tyrants laugh at what they are doing to we cattle.


http://www.exxposeexxon.com/


http://www.benfrank.net/nuke/inaug_prot ... -sign.html


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ja ... ilhand.htm



Seems everybody is becoming 'longhorns' fans.



http://www.bilderberg.org/skulbone.htm



Regardless of how content you are with third hand information....the fact is, the powers that be sure ain't evolutionists. And clearly have connections with dark arts and devil worship. If I were you, I'd seek to get the facts straight before coming to the conclusion that Christ is a no show....after all....He did say the end cannot come without a great falling away first. and that He would 'weed' out the impatient ones who give up the faith, saying 'my master is delaying'.


2 Timothy 3:1-7


But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good, 4traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; 5holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power therefore. From these also turn away. 6For of these are they that creep into houses, and take captive silly women laden with sins, led away by divers lusts, 7ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.





Ken, Osama's smiling alright.....because either directly or indirectly he worships the same god as our illustrious leaders do....that god being, himself, a jealous created being.




http://www.anchorstone.com/content/view/158/55/



http://www.missiontoisrael.org/it-matters.php



Rev 3:9


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Techstuf...

I'm not unaware of the greed of many corporations and the sad individuals who run them. It's quite possible that next to 100% of our present involvement in the Middle East revolves around the fossil fuel needed to keep the American "dream" humming along and the profits rolling in to the coffers of American corporations.

However, on the other hand, it does seem like the USA is the major force on Earth for promoting democracy and is now investing enormous sums to do this in the Muslim world. It's really one of the biggest gambles ever taken by the government of the USA. If it fails, then it could literally bankrupt us for generations to come.

Eventually, I see the entire economy of the world converted into a single global corporation. Every person will simultaneously be an employee of it and a shareholder. Warfare will, hopefully, become a thing of the past and a united mankind will finally receive the benefits of a Golden Age of peace and prosperity.



As far as Osama is concerned, he actually thinks that, by destroying non-Muslims, he is doing the will of God. Eventually, the fire he has ignited will be snuffed out, but the cost will certainly be high.



I saw an interesting documentary on the History Channel last night. It was titled "Iran: The Next Iraq?". I would highly recommend this documentary to anybody with an interest in the events which are now unfolding in the Middle East. It traces the history of Iran, formerly Persia, from its creation by Cyrus the Great in the 6th century BC right up to the present day. It is a real eye-opener.

Anyway, it discusses what might be done to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons and concludes that all of the options are bad ones. If the western powers opt for a land invasion sometime next year, then they will have to attack from both Iraq and Afghanistan at the same time and head for Tehran. Along the way they will encounter, literally, millions of suicide troops who will have to be killed to be stopped. If a land invasion is initiated, then the death toll could easily climb into the hundreds of thousands and coalition (assuming we can find anybody willing to join the US in the assault!) losses will make what those of Iraq look insignificant by comparison.

An air campaign is probably the easiest way to slow the Iranian nuclear weapon program, but it, too, has many problems. We have to realize that once we begin bombing Iran, we will be at war with the people of Iran. They are a very proud people who are eager to restore the regional dominance that they had up until about the middle of the 19th century when it was destroyed by warfare with the British and the Russians. They will probably react my creating more mayhem in both Iraq and Afghanistan than already exists there.

That documentary quotes some military experts as saying that this reaction to an air campaign might be suppressed if the Iranians know that we would, if they protested our aerial attack on their nuclear weapons sites, be followed up with an even more punishing non-nuclear bombing campaign of their other critical infrastructures. In short, when the decision is made to go into Iraq, it may lead to a situation where the western powers are forced to reduce all of Iran to rubble! It's truly a "no-win" situation.

Will it happen? I hope not, but already there are rumors in the press about how our military is beginning to train soldiers to speak Farsi...the language of Iran. I wonder why?



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Ken wrote:

"I suspect that rhetoric is based upon Iran's religious leaders' interpretation of the muslim equivalent of "end time" prophecies and is just as dangerous as Christian prophetic interpretations that anticipate global warfare between religious groups. "

I don't see Christian suicide bombers on a daily basis and Christians with nuclear bombs threatening to destroy the Jews.

TS wrote:

"Wake up, even Joe Blow on the street knows he has only to look at the white house to know whose bankrupting the people....."

Why is there a record GDP? You can't talk deficit without percent of GDP.
What part of the Democratic party platform that you agree with that prevents bankrupting the people?
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Dave is right. Ken, you exhibit an interesting choice of examples regarding what the Christian Bible has to say.....For it also identifies the world powers and the modern version of the old Roman empire....The 'Beast' of the book of Revelation. It also identifies the number of the Beast and which man in history it is taken from. That you address only that which suits your borrowed agenda says much.


These truths are unavoidable to those who dare think for themselves.....rather than playing the rube, hoping one's 'team leader' will take the blame, should the promises of the Christian Bible prove true.


As you have painted Christians, whose master, Christ and His teachings are beyond reproach, with a broad brush indeed.....Will you also here denounce the masonic lodge and other secret societies who's connection with the devil is a proven fact? Or that they highly regard Solomon and his number, 666? Or the Beast's 'little horn', the modern day state of Israel for her heresies?


No. For you have had many a chance to do so.....and choose instead to focus cowardly and solely upon the decendents of Ishmael.....rather than face the evil in your own house.


http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html


Ken, face it. You, like so many others....sold out. Fear has tempered your thinking and covered it with the fine white ash you choose to see as a knight's white inner garment.


Those who would condemn Christians for what they are taught that we believe, will not escape judgement for the error of doing simply as they are told, rather than following the truth once indelibly inscribed upon their own hearts. Christ's teachings are in black and white for all who would see. These truths, self evident. Beyond reproach.


To judge those who believe in Him as 'goyim' or dumb cattle to be tricked and slaughtered in deceitful practice is to judge one's self worthy of the fiery pit. For it angers God to see the many judged by the deeds of a wicked few.


http://www.rense.com/general70/cess.htm


Eventually, I see the entire economy of the world converted into a single global corporation. Every person will simultaneously be an employee of it and a shareholder. Warfare will, hopefully, become a thing of the past and a united mankind will finally receive the benefits of a Golden Age of peace and prosperity.

Ken, who do you suppose will lead this conglomeration of yours? Who will topple the thorougly compromised power elite of the entire world that your 'Corporation' the very foundational model of which is flawed would bring your idea of 'prosperity' to fruition? History demands it would virtually take a bona fide Messiah to accomplish what you suppose!


Your brand of prosperity.....like MEs....Bill's....and others is tantamount to choosing the greatest of all evils. You all manage to not so 'deftly' avoid the Skull & Bones, Masonic/demonic Israel and AntiChrist issues. And who can blame you.......Who can wage war with the boss, er, beast?


Might makes right......in a cowardly world. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.



It was prophesied that Christians would be persecuted in the last days....and it is obvious that those of Ken's persuasion and 'others' will toe the 'party line' as it's our turn in front of the beast's black light
'beacon of democracy'....


Persecution and elimination of we 'backwards' antiquated free speech fans and bible believers is rampant in it's more stealthy forms all over the world and has been for some time.



The mark of the beast is real. No getting around it. Ken has a point....it's a corporate mark. A mark of ownership.....and their pool of minions is growing by leaps and bounds. It's been here for awhile now....nabbing as many as they are able in the dark of night and at their cult meetings being held all over the world under such various guises such as 'network' marketing....and social 'clubs'.



http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/sixpointedstar.html



http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/no ... diablo.htm




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http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20 ... _satan.htm




The powers that be sure ain't evolutionists. And they picked a real 'flash in the pan' of a false god to follow.



When my Master arrives in the heavens above......He will find very few of His children left doing the work He set before us.....and many sitting in circles flashing the 'longhorns' salute and listening to John Lennon's....."Imagine"....while their demon infested cohorts work their evil all around.




http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/20 ... y2006.html




Those of you with eyes to see and ears to hear....Wake Up!




For some of you, your boss's 'paradise' is much hotter and drier than you may think it is.




http://www.av1611.org/hell.html




Blessings in Yahshua, Jesus Christ,





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FWIW: Mitch, I think you're blowing hot air again. Just because a few DVD's and books are produced by individuals keen to further their own personal agenda doesn't mean you have to believe everything they say. Entertainment has always been about telling a good yarn, making it believable, and collecting the reward. "The Da Vinci Code" is a perfect recent example of how many people are willing to buy into made-up fairytales that sound believable. I think you've fallen prey once again (history constantly repeats, does it not) to the wiley ways of the entertainment industry and you have confused fact with fiction in your own narrow subjectivity.

It seems that people will see in their chosen religion what they want to see, particularly when they think they have grasped "the truth". Bessler wheel builders who think they have the answer tend to see how miraculously all the clues fit so perfectly with their current design - which further reinforces their belief that they are right. In the case of a wheel design, the answer is to simply build it and prove that it either works or it doesn't. Religious cranks never prove anything.

Your own track record with wacky prophecy/theories certainly isn't good and your latest soap-boxing appears no different to all the others. Mitch, I think you've succeeded yet again in trapping yourself in a web of your own making.
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Osama's... "REAL"... Message to America!

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@.........$4.15 per/gl " full service" ..... it's here...!

AND next...........$5.25 per/gl. " openinning soon " . .....................at a gas station nere YOU...! :(



http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/8889098 ... d=10101561
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Hey Bill, Freemasonry and their many tentacled associated sibling corporations and secret fraternal 'orders' are not my web.


http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/sixpointedstar.html


They spun it themselves on the devil's own loom.


Skull and bones, of which John Kerry and G. Bush are members....guess what....not my web.


http://www.bilderberg.org/skulbone.htm


The fact that modern Jerusalem, the U.S. capitol and the Vatican share many of the same occultic practices and are condemned in Bible prophecy for doing so.....Nope....I'm not the 'spider' here.


http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/09/297062.shtml


http://www.rense.com/general70/cess.htm


Your own history with crank theories certainly isn't good and your latest soap-boxing appears no different to all the others. Congratulations Mitch, you've succeeded yet again in trapping yourself in a web of your own making.


Who wants or needs theories? There are enough facts to fill the library at Alexandria! As many are able to see.



The fact that you and your associates have sidestepped them at every turn, consistently resorting to simple juvenile labelism, afraid that breaking your own mirror still won't stop the light of truth from shining down the rabbit hole....shows any rational visitor to this board whose hands are comfortably tied with craftily spun silk cords.


No. It's not my web....but like all webs....as strong and fearsome as they might appear to those caught up in them....the fire of truth turns them to smoke and vapor which sends their makers scurrying for cool shadows.


There can be only two shallow harbors which provide temporary shelter to the ship of fools.....The one facetiously labeled, Plausible Deniablity, borne from deft avoidance of a reckoning with the truth. The other, Capitulation of one's higher reasoning skills in deference to those of another, borne out of fear and implied obligation.



And the Tsunami wave of God's truth will leave their boat high and dry.



Rev 19:1-4



Amen.
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Mitch, I find it difficult to determine the difference between your views and the views of other religious nuts spouting similar 'great truths' about the end of the world, religion, devil worship, secret clubs, etc.

Some time ago you asked me, "how is it I can see so much further than anyone else?". My answer was, and still is: a man standing in a room of mirrors only thinks he can see forever - in fact it's just him looking at countless reflected images of the back of his own head while standing in a mirrored public toilet cubicle. "Great truths" is the smoke in those mirrors coming from the cubicle next door. Let the "Tsunami wave of God's truth" flush away all your smelly sins into the great sewer of forgiveness.
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Racer270....and here's:


Puppet Bush's message to America:

http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj/column70a.html


http://www.newhumanist.com/coup.html


http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/artic ... hwatch.htm


http://www.newworldpeace.com/coverup10.html





Big Oil's message to America:



http://www.exxposeexxon.com/facts/


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/257 ... source=rss



Bush's message to the troops:


http://www.rense.com/general70/diefor.htm


http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0113-30.htm



Troops fighting in Iraq are glad to have mothers who'll take out mortages and hold bake sales to provide them with proper equipment....while greasy palmed Bush and his Big Oil buddies reap the largest corporate profits in history.



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... A91QH1.DTL



Why do so many of you focus on Osama? Because it's more comfortable than lifting one's chin and seeing the army of his terrorist counterparts either holding office in or sneaking nightly across the wide open borders of America.



The truth IS UGLY. And there's no shortage of obligated cowards who avoid it like the plague.



God bless them all.



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Some believers are just like Peter, onece they realize who Jesus is, they get giddy an don't know how to react; "Hey, let's make three tabernacles, one for you, one for Moses, one for Elijah;..." Meanwhile God interrupts and says flatly,: "This is my beloved Son, listen to Him."
Believers are no different today, the get giddy and see demons in every doorknob, conspiracies on every corner, and traitors at every turn.
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Let the "Tsunami wave of God's truth" flush away all your smelly sins into the great sewer of forgiveness.


I shant bother to ask which of your gods you are referring to....




Feel free to think of me whenever you should frequent a public toilet or pass by a public sewer.



God bless your heart Bill,



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Patrick, I know what you mean! I have seen that take place often. Being observant, I hope it won't happen to you or anyone who would listen to you.


Blessings in Yahshua, Jesus Christ upon you and your household.



TS



P.S. Just to be on the safe side, Yahweh bless all the doorknobs in your home and every corner you encounter.....in the Blood of the Lamb.
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the paradigms of the cerebral chemical reactions ? :-)

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If I was sitting between two countries that had just been laid waste and I possessed the same attributes as them i.e. oil and islam, I would wish I had a nuclear deterrent. On the other hand I would not give the aggressors reason to do the same to me. However I would be resistent to external pressure to prevent me developing peaceful technology.
The UN nuclear watchdog has said Iran is not an imminent threat. Iran has said the technology is peaceful. But the word of a raghead counts for nothing, right ?
How many countries have actually used nuclear weapons on another nation ? And did they deploy them as a warning or did they direct them at densly populated cities ? Remind me now - who was that ?
Could you blame them if they did want nuclear arms ?
I personally don't think that trying to explain or make sense of current affairs by referring to a collection of two thousand odd year old documents is going to help - but I guess it is more than I can suggest.
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