Complete this drawing and make the machine.

[Sevich]

snpssaini..

do you believe ?

[rlortie]

Me,

I do believe that the black blocks you speak of are sliders/weights on the spokes.

What Sanjay Saini has given us by his 9th and 10th drawing is what he first refused to offer without applying for a patent first. I told him that Bessler himself said, "do not put the cart before the horse"

I have been following this since early last year, and what you now see here is basically no different than my radial engine design. Only difference is that I use guides instead of spokes and considerably less offset on the slider rods.

There is one key element here that he is not telling you, or maybe he himself does not know it. Not knowing his position, I feel that I am not at liberty to discuss it.

As for my own similar approach, I have never got around to completing it yet. Sanjay insisted on applying for a patent before making a proto-type,
I do not work that way and he refused to divulge what he has now posted. The key element mentioned above is what I feel he is holding back in an attempt to create more curiosity, unfortunately for him, I discovered it over three years ago.

I was a bit surprised to see him post the last two pictures, apparently he was unable to find anyone willing to pay for a patent application that would fail without a model for proof of concept.

There is more than Bessler's way to build a working wheel.

Ralph

[snpssaini]

After making you wait for so long I have released the drawings, and I knew before releasing them that people will have thier different reaction on this.

Some will say that this all is crap, and some will try to understand its mechanism.

If you will not understand its mechanism, then, even after looking the drawings you will not be able to see it functional.

Apart from my design the rest has some drawbacks for moving the wheel.

Even i have made 3 prototypes but they were not functional as a result i came to know of the error which was causing the trouble.

Due to that i had to change my design many times, finaly the design which i have shown you right now, shows the inner mechanism.

This is the most powerfull version, apart from it i have 3-4 different models.

The 9th and 10th drawings are for hint, the machine will won't work from that.

Now i do not dis-agree to anyone who says that they knew the design before me. but as far as i am concerend they are not functional. Now if you all are interested in knowing anything then i am ready to provide it

Thanks,
Snpssaini

[Wheeler]

snpssaini
We have been waiting, what do you want us to say so you know we want it?

[ME]

snpssaini: I was reffering to picture pmm 10.JPG
Sevich: What kind of question is that? (I can explain my question)
Ralph: So that's why my WM2D attempt didn't work...

I could post an animation of my attempt but while I am way off and it also doesn't work I'll spare the download time.
The design I made looks a bit like this one.

[racer270]

quote:

Now if you all are interested in knowing anything then i am ready to provide it

Thanks,
Snpssaini


i wont to see it , 3 or 4 wheels ,

if i had a " 3 or 4 working wheels" ,

i would know if it were 3 or 4..........?

just show us the "lates / gratest one..........ok

gordy

[ken_behrendt]

Snpssaini...

Thanks for finally posting the, more or less, complete diagram of your device.

I must confess, however, that I am a little disappointed with it. I do not think that the design you have is workable. During the 1960's when I was in high school and bitten by the perpetual motion machine bug, I came up with a device that is very similar to what you have presented.

My device used a hollow rotating drum which had holes in the outer rim through which weighted levers projected. The idea, like yours, was that the drum would feel more torque applied to it on one of its sides than the other and that this would then produce continuous rotation.

I was so excited about my "discovery" that I immediately made a nice table top model of it. To my great surprise and disappointment, it would not run. I've attached a quick Paint sketch of that bygone gravity motor for everyone's perusal. The problem with it is that the torque was actually equal in magnitude on both sides of the drum so that there was no net torque available to turn the drum.

In your device the same situation will prevail. There will be no net torque working on the wheel which I assume in sketch 10 represents a bicycle wheel. However, your method of holding the sliding weight arms in place is very interesting. In my failed early design, I had my weighted arms attached to an offset axle that was then fixed to the base that supported the rotating drum.


ken

[rlortie]

I must agree that others have tried different concepts of this design. I have one myself. As I have never got around to testing it I can not argue the point.

I have already stated that there is a key element missing here and I do not know if snppsaini is aware of it or not.

Having had private communication between us, my confidential oath has my hands tied. It will be up to him to tell or not tell, or if he is aware of what is not shown.

Maybe he does not know and that is why his three previous models were losers!

Ken, you have already compared my version to your high school model and posted the same reply. I told you then that you were not seeing the whole picture and you are now looking at snppsaini's with the same element missing in these drawings as was mine.

Ralph

[Wheeler]

Seems like you know what to do and snpssaini does not.
Ralph you keep saying that you have the missing element
and this is why you are still alive.

If not now when? If not you who?

Are you going to do this or wait till snpssaini tells us, then say that's all he had to do was your idea.
Hmmm! something seems a little funny about you have the key, but are not saying or using it.
Why don't you give it to the world as a gift?

However I think you must not be sure like me.

[LustInBlack]

My first post in the long thread..

I've read about Mr. S in an other forum about free energy..


It's interesting, because the way he uses to explain his model, is the same way I was thinking using if I had one working ..

For this reason +1 pt.

Now, maybe I am wrong, but what he means, is that the weight on the outside of the weel, the black round weight, is a the brake/accelerator.
The way that should work, is that, this lever will balance the weight rotor that is offset inside the wheel..

That way, the center of gravity of the rotor will be kept at the right position by using the natural balance of the Black weight+weight rotor system.

Maybe I am wrong, but that is how I understand it by now ..


Maybe Mr. S doesn't HIDE something, maybe you should erase some things from his drawing to get the idea .. That way, Mr. S is showing more than there is to obfuscate the result ..

Maybe I'm wrong ..

[snpssaini]

Lustinblack thanks,

I am happy now that at last someone has now started to get something from the drawings.

Now the rest who are avoiding it because they are thinking that they are familiar with these kind of drawings and mechanism they are wrong.

If you will look at this drawing closely and sharply then you will understand why it is workable and the rest were not.

These drawings are the jack of the cards, the Queen, King and Ace are still inside the deck of cards.

I hope jack will do his job nicely. But still if the rest are needed they will also come.

Please don't think that i am not aware of the mechanism of my drawings.
I know everything, the thing which is hidden will come gradually in front of you.

You are right about acceleration and break, they move the machine and stop it.

Soon I will send other details.

Thanks,

Snpssaini

[rlortie]

Wheeler,


Seems like you know what to do and snpssaini does not.

Maybe yes, maybe no! I can not answer for snpssaini, the ball is in his court

Ralph you keep saying that you have the missing element
and this is why you are still alive.

Should I be dead if I did not know? I do not keep saying anything, once is
quite sufficient.

If not now when? If not you who?

All I can say is, snpsssaini has not told all there is for him to tell, that is up to him, so I guess he is the who.

Are you going to do this or wait till snpssaini tells us, then say that's all he had to do was your idea.

Nope!, I am not saying anything this is snpssaini's design and his thread, I have not gave him anything that I could claim as mine.

Hmmm! something seems a little funny about you have the key, but are not saying or using it.

To attempt to use my key on snpssaini wheel would be like trying to steal a Ford with a Chevy ignition key. I use my key on what is mine.

Why don't you give it to the world as a gift?

Give what as a gift to the world? my key or one that I have stolen. Many times on this forum you have stated that you have the answer or the key,
why do you not come forward and reveal your gift.

However I think you must not be sure like me.

You may think what you wish but I do not think like you. What I am sure of is that this is not the only forum to discuss this design and its inventor. I am sure that it has been scrutinized a number of times by many interested people. I am sure that there is not one in every back yard.

What I call the missing element is simply a mechanical transference that he is not showing. Now his method may differ from mine, and that I am sure of.

Ralph

[snpssaini]

If you arrange the route of weights near the centre of the wheel, then only, it swings. Like red arm.
Other arm's route will not give sufficient thrust to the wheel . So it will not move.
I think others machine's weight could not come near to the centre as a result they did not work.

Thanks,

Snpssaini

[Wheeler]

If you know you have something special for your children, you might hold it behind your back, and make them work to understand what it is.
That way they will appreciate it more, and you get to enjoy watching them begin to understand something.

After reading that Ralph has been in contact with Snpssaini, I am starting to see that we are the children,and the gift is behind the drawings.

From what I understand, the system will use lock/unlock, as weight and brake locks continue to act as latch and unlatch.
Snpssaini,Ralph I think the system could be simplified using clutch bearings!

The design seems to have elements of clock timing systems and some interactions are not unlike the escapement.
These are just ideas from what is offered so far.

I think Snpssaini will be giving the gift, but if we understand it first, we may appreciate it more.

[ovyyus]

Wheeler, I'd like to add that IMO there are few things more irritating than being teased with an idea that is not yet proven. I've lost count of the number of times someone has taken a similar "master-pupil" approach with an untested idea. It always ends with the self-anointed master having absolutely nothing worthwhile to offer. Stupid ego trips.

If Snpssaini has already proven his idea with a model then we'd be looking at photos, not unfinished drawings of ideas that he thinks will work. I enjoy hearing and discussing someones pet theories and ideas but this is just trolling for attention - annoying, boring and a waste of time.