LustInBlack wrote:Snpssaini, I'm a bit confused now, I understand the basic principle, but now you added another bearing on the main shaft, does that mean there are 2 moving wheels inside!?
300 mm wheel ?!
Anyways, I'll keep up with the design, but if possible, can you provide me with this information !? :
- The Main wheel is the last wheel you see .. so..
- Inside that wheel, there are actually how many moving wheels?!
As of yet, I believed that there was only one wheel inside, and that was the "star" rotor (weights following spokes wheel).
- Your recent drawings show concentric rings inside the main wheel. (That + the curved spokes) .. How many rings there are?! .. On each side of the main wheel !?
Hi Lustinblack,
The four bearings on the main shaft is only for to clear that these four wheels acted as one wheel .Pillar side wheel for holding inner side wheel.
Because the centre plate of inner side wheel is too small to hold the spokes . And other two small rings attached with spokes for holding the spokes. 12 spokes are complete and 12 are incomplete .
Because centre plate has no more space to hold so many sokes.
300 mm is the size of the centre plate of Pillar side wheel.
Thanks,
Snpssaini
I make a perpetual motion machine. like b w. It is a very simple mechanism. It is on paper since 1998 . My first prototype is not working because of small error. Now I am trying to make its final working model .
I sense that some here are losing patience with this thread. That snpssaini has not answered the query, as to wether the fixed error means he has a real working wheel, leaves it open to doubt. I would have thought LustInBlack's commitment to this project deserves a staight answer. Is he just testing a theory for you or proving your design to the board?
digital : I thought I was replicating his design, but now I'm not sure if I am replicating a theory or a functional design !
And you are right, there was no definitive answer to my question : Does the wheel is working in front of you (snpssaini : I need the answer or I'll stop working on this) right now and functional and turning perpetually, not a simple idea that seems to work, a real wheel .. Turning physically, not in your head .
snpssaini wrote:
As i have told it before that the last prototype which i have built was moving and stoping and was not continuos because of a small error. Now i have rectified that error.
As a result the drawings given by me are working.
Lustinblack,
My third prototype was not working properly , But when I released the drawings, there is no question that it was working or not.
You said to me that you want to make its wm2d model. It was your decision. If now you want to quit it is again your decision. I cannot force to anyone that he make any model for me.
Thanks for giving your valuable time for my design.
Snpssaini
I make a perpetual motion machine. like b w. It is a very simple mechanism. It is on paper since 1998 . My first prototype is not working because of small error. Now I am trying to make its final working model .
Then, what is your gift to the world!? A non-working model !? A paintbrush drawing !?
Btw, by mentionning that a prototype is more powerful than the previous one, like you said, you are implying that it is in fact working ..
Else you couldn't measure any force in that prototype if it wasn't turning .
YOU SAID : As a result the drawings given by me are working.
You release the drawing and you say that .. What does that mean !?
So, in reality, you are just pretending and wasting the time of valuable people ..
Thanks to me to have shown everyone here that you are indeed a fraud.
Lustinblack thanks,
I am happy now that at last someone has now started to get something from the drawings.
Now the rest who are avoiding it because they are thinking that they are familiar with these kind of drawings and mechanism they are wrong.
If you will look at this drawing closely and sharply then you will understand why it is workable and the rest were not.
These drawings are the jack of the cards, the Queen, King and Ace are still inside the deck of cards.
I hope jack will do his job nicely. But still if the rest are needed they will also come.
Please don't think that i am not aware of the mechanism of my drawings.
I know everything, the thing which is hidden will come gradually in front of you.
See the result of hiding something that didn't work !?
Lustinblack,
I think we can make endless argument about the machine that it is working or not.
Finally, I know my machine is working ,belive it or not.
When you complete your wm2d ( if you are still interested) you will also said,It is working.
Now, I am late , I am going out of station.
Next update, tomorrow.
Thanks,
Snpssaini
I make a perpetual motion machine. like b w. It is a very simple mechanism. It is on paper since 1998 . My first prototype is not working because of small error. Now I am trying to make its final working model .
Below is the idea of what Snpssaini hoped all of us would help him figure out how to do.
If we found the answer, he would then say that it was his design.
Hello Sanjay and All
I have almost finished the 3d model of Sanjay's design.
At first things were locking up, but i believe i now have a somewhat accurate representation of the design.
i need to rectify a few small errors as i do not wish to post anything that will further confuse the design.
Also the design i post will have its imperfections.In that i will not go into bearing details etc
I have not spent as much time as i need to on this model i have been busy with work and family commitments.
i believe and have mechanically simulated that with a curved spoke arrangement things will flow.
I have not had time to simulate a straight spoke arrangement and hence i cannot say that a straight spoke arrangement will lock up or not i "suspect" that it may and that this is the error of which Sanjay writes, but am only guessing about this.
Once i have finished the model i will send it it Sanjay for verification and then post the design with i hope Sanjays blessing and an animation of a mechanicaol simulation. Note that this is not a gravity simulation.
Last night, I suffered from another one of my bouts of insomnia. Since there wasn't anything interesting to watch on tv, I decided to take a crack at modeling Sanjay's Wheel with WM2D. It was a lot easier than I anticipated and the model is attached below.
I used one of my "standard" 3 ft diameter, 0.5 lb wheels and equipped it with 12 closed loop slots. To each slot I attached a small yellow circle with a weight of 1 lb that could easily slide around the loop. Finally, all 12 of the yellow weights were attached with individual rigid rods to the end of a lever which was itself attached with a pivot pin to the center of the 3 ft wheel. I refer to the resulting array of 12 weights as a "spider" even though, technically, a spider only has 8 legs and not 12.
Note that all of the 12 yellow weights only use one side of their respective closed loops to thereby simulate a weight that is constrained to slide along a curved arm in Sanjay's design.
At the other end of the lever I placed a 2.1 lb gray circle to serve as a counter weight. I found that it was impossible to balance the spider so that the gray weight would "float" at between the 8:00 and 9:00 positions on what is supposed to be the wheel's ascending side. It seemed that I would either have the gray weight a little too heavy and then it would immediately swing down to the 6:00 position while the spider's center rose up to 12:00. Or, I had the gray counter weight a little too light and it would fly up to the 12:00 position while the spider quickly sank down to the 6:00 position. Finally, in frustration, I balanced it as best I could with a weight of 2.1 lbs and just attached a spring to hold it at between the 8:00 and 9:00 positions.
Then, once everything was properly arranged and checked, I hit Run and...NOTHING! Yes, there was a bit of bobbing of the gray counter weight and the spider attached to the other end of the lever from it, but, it quickly became apparent that, as I had expected, this design does NOT work!
Snpssaini, you claim that you have the third prototype of this running, but, unless you still have not revealed all of the design to us, I just do not see how this is possible. I found this design to be just as useless as "Andy's Magnetic Gravity Wheel" and for much the same reasons.
ken
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This "gift" does not work!
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
snpssaini wrote:I think we can make endless argument about the machine that it is working or not.
A physical working prototype is the ultimate argument - which is exactly what you do not have. Without the final proof of something real you're just kidding yourself with words.
Unless there is some sort of language problem with Snpssaini's posts, he does claim to have a working model of this device! Based on my WM2D model, I just do not see how this could be possible...
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
