Hinge-less Seeker Wheel

[Oxygon]

Give me your opinions on this... As it relates to its predecessor (Link)

I was surfing the "Albums" section for inspiration...

I noticed this... (Link)

You can see in that image, obviously the designer didnt include the negative attraction from 12 to 10? or so... CCW according to image...

I would like to state here that the supplied link to this image is only to establish a conceptual image for the reader...

That image got me thinking, How could you utilize the upward attraction to reduce the "steel" weights influence on the wheel and "somehow" evade this negative torque???

Well... The key as far as I can see here is that the spheres on the ascending side would be held "weightless" by external attraction and to compensate for the eventual forces from 12 to 10 or so... I would simply align the magnetic path around to a concentric path along the entire orbit...

I have supplied an image to differentiate my idea.

I have to admit here, this seems stupid...

but I wonder if anyone has actually ever tested this...

[ltseung888]

No need to beat around the bush.

The mystery of the Bessler Wheel is totally solved.

First examine the swing or the pendulum system.

Then extend it to the rotational system.

You will find that a periodic pulse force applied to a heavy spinning wheel can indeed continuously extract energy from gravity.

Go to http://www.energyfromgravity.com for details.

See also my post on Cosmic Energy Electricity Generators.

[ken_behrendt]

Oxy...

That similar to an idea I had to help reduce the counter torques that render Doc's "Double Buzzsaw Wheel" unworkable. Just use magnets to lighten the weight that the ascending side steel weights apply to the wheel.

Well, it sounds good, but one must remember those same magnets will also be attracting the weights on the descending side and reducing the driving torque that they apply to the wheel. It's really a no win situation that has wasted the time of many a mobilist.


ken

[Oxygon]

Well, it sounds good, but one must remember those same magnets will also be attracting the weights on the descending side and reducing the driving torque that they apply to the wheel

ken_behrendt... did you even read my post?

that link is provided and the obvious difference is underlined.

the attraction ring is a perfect orbit! it only affects the ascending side.

As for 6 post "ltseung888"... your link doesnt even work.

please reply to topic, your post seems to be more an ad for your site?

which doesnt even work... at least at the time of this post.

[primemignonite]

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You will find that a periodic pulse force applied to a heavy spinning wheel can indeed continuously extract energy from gravity.

Go to http://www.energyfromgravity.com for details.
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This sounds like just the ticket, but sadly, the link seems to be dead . . .

James (CIC, BesslerWheel)

[ken_behrendt]

I'm leery of any device which requires one to input energy in order for it to function and, supposedly, will return more energy than was inputted. If one acutally did have such an "Over Unity" device then, after an initial input of energy to rev it up, it should then be able to supply its own input and have bit of energy left over to perform external work. Thus, after startup, it should be possible to disconnect the external power supply and let the device be self-energizing. I am not aware of any OU researchers who have managed to do this successfully...whether or not they attend any "Free Energy" conferences anywhere.


ken

[Thomas]

This looks simple enough, but I don't think it would work. I just wonder why someone would say it did. Attention seeker?

http://www.geocities.com/k_pullo/SMOT15_PM3-3.htm

Tom

[jim_mich]

Patent number 4,215,330 for what is now refered to as the 'SMOT' was issued in 1980 to Emil T. Hartman of Detroit Michigan.

A permanent magnet propulsion system wherein a steel ball is propelled up an inclined plane between two rows of permanent bar magnets, said magnets being in spaced relationship with all north seeking poles of one of the said rows facing in substantially the same direction and with all south seeking poles in the other row facing in substantially the same but opposite direction to the first of said rows. The magnetic axes of each of the magnets of the first said row are in staggered relationship to the axes of opposing magnets of the second said row. The magnetic field acting on the ball is configured whereby the ball after reaching the top of the inclined plane is able to drop from the said plane out of the field. A pair of parallel tracks positioned between the spaced rows of magnets guide the ball and a clamping means orient and retain the magnets.

So far I've NOT found anyone that has "closed the loop" and produced a continiuosly running magnet device. Magnets are like gravity in that it seems no matter how you arrange them they either balance or keel to one position.

[ken_behrendt]

Tom...

Thanks for posting that link. That permanent magnet motor had me going for a second there. Way back in my earliest mobilist day's I did try several permanent magnet motor designs and one of them was very similar to the one shown. I figured maybe this guy found something I missed so I decided to try a quick WM2D model of the device pictured. That model is attached below.

In my model, I made the "magnet" pole faces from electrically charged bars with red being +10 statC and blue being -10 statC. The rotor itself weighed 1 lb. Air resistance was set to the default values given when "low" is selected.

Upon Running the simulation for the model nothing happened so I decided to give it an initial torque of -50 lb-ft for one second to rev it up.

No matter how I varied the electrical charges on my "magnets" to simulate magnets of different field strengths, the rotor's speed would always drop back to zero after the torque was no longer being applied. I saw absolutely no tendency on its part to continue rotating, despite the mass of the rotor. In fact, it seemed like the magnets were exerting a braking effect on the rotor!

Therefore, I must consider this device to be yet another "non-runner"...



ken

[Sevich]

Sorry oxygon!! ...... ..need to dump my LAST 2 pictures on your thread and call it quits before moving on to electronic (copper) free from air energy......no point making a new thread for 2 pics? ....thanx mate!
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For others, these are the last pic's I'm posting relating to my gravity contraption..........it's a wheel within a wheel......simple to work it out!

good luck!!