Pair of Pairs

[ken_behrendt]

Michael...

If you understood what the implications of Bessler's 4th Law of Motion were, then you wouldn't need to ask that question!

I suggest that you carefully review the previous step by step derivations I've given for the 4th law and its application to the Kassel wheel.


ken

[Besslerrevealed]

I say this to anyone who would care to come out of their ignorance. God purposed the wheel for a time such as this. For from the garden of Eden God placed all the resources that man would need for eternity, even though He knew the choices that would be made. Oil, Coal and Natural Gas are finite. Gravity can not be depleted.

The first Bessler understood his purpose.

His writings are to encourage you to step out of your ignorance about who was the one who gave his this revelation. Unfortunately most of you seek the gift rather than the giver of the gift. Most seek the benefits and not the benefactor.

You look at the first Bessler's writings as if they were the Gospels, yet you disbelieve the message, but then believe the miracle or those who gave an account for it.

If you truly believed the first Bessler, then you should believe his account and his statement that the wheel would not be revealed prematurely or before its' time. John 14:11

But instead many of you choose only to believe him a religious crackpot who was more brilliant than thousands of other men. I choose to believe him for what he was...an ordinary man who served an exordinary God.

As I have believed...so I have become.

Bessler

[Madmax]

Ken...

A weights descent field equals a loss of mass but a gain in velocity is balanced by a weights rise in the gravitational field as gaining mass

If I remember good, you said that PMM will stop when weights lose their mass after a long period of working and the gravitational field influences the particles of the weights. Weights going down are loosing their mass and going up acquiring it.
So how you explain the same effect in the orbital station having artificial gravity, vide: space station from movie "2001 A Space Odyssey" by Stanley Kubrick, where the Bessler PMM could work, out of directly acting gravitational field.

Bessler writing: "Special trials have demonstrated for eyewitnesses that this mechanical wheel is a self-rotating system of several heavy bodies and will be as long as the bodies remain heavy and the universe exists", suggests that there is no time limit for the Machine.

What you think?

max

[rlortie]

I can not say that I fully agree with the above post.

But by coincidence it did hit at a time when I had something related on my mind. That is the title "Apologia Poetica" The words roll out so easily, but yet I had never thought of there meaning.

So I did a little web searching and came up with the following.

APOLOGIA - The Greek word for "defense."
It appears eight times in the New Testament, in the context of people defending their faith or actions by reason and logic.

"But sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you..." 1 Peter 3:15

Ralph

[coylo]

Besslerrevealed wrote:

Gravity can not be depleted.

We don't know this for certain.......If gravity wheels are possible and the conservation of energy laws still apply and are upheld, what does that mean for the earth's gravitational field? Something has to give.....or deplete, but then again who knows?

[LustInBlack]

BR : I am not sure what this is supposed to explain ..

It would mean, that god will choose who is supposed to create the wheel, by doing so, the guy would receive the idea from god .. ??

I believe that Bessler did have a dream that revealed to him the design .
I think by the multitude of machines he tried, the mechanisms were all in his head and they appeared to work in a dream when his brain mixed up all the element for him . ..

I think the same thing happen for everyone..
I for example, think about a mechanism, simulate it.. doesn't work, I can't think of anything else .. I go to sleep, and during the night I always find another way or something else..

I'm sure if I put my design one after the other, on average, I could see an evolution of all those tiny bugs I have found in each design ..

I think, that is what lead Bessler to his final wheel .. His motivation to find the truth ..

I will also put that analogy to any other domain..

I am also a computer programmer, and when I work on something, I get my ideas the next morning or during the night [I should do that instead, or create that recursive function or that pointer cause the problem .... ] ...

[primemignonite]

Bessler (II) scores some very good points in my book:

. . . God purposed the wheel for a time such as this. . . .

The first Bessler understood his purpose.

* * * * *

You look at the first Bessler's writings as if they were the Gospels, yet you disbelieve the message, but then believe the miracle or those who gave an account for it.

If you truly believed the first Bessler, then you should believe his account and his statement that the wheel would not be revealed prematurely or before its' time. John 14:11

But instead many of you choose only to believe him a religious crackpot who was more brilliant than thousands of other men. I choose to believe him for what he was...an ordinary man who served an exordinary God.

* * * * *

Bessler

(Underscorings for emphasis, mine.)

Dear Bessler (II), I would suggest that you have some serious conversations with the forum member calling himself "Techstuf". You two will have much to agree upon and then present to all those ready-to-receive, once distilled, though in doing so one does run the almost mortal risk of enfuriating that professional Heaven hating 'Man from Tanzania'!

He writes as a blow torch blows, and torments as an acid bath dissolves, and all for the simple, wicked fun of it and to no actual purpose that's anything like constructive, so, I think it's good be to be forewarned about this danger. Frankly, I am amazed that he has not yet sniffed-out and attacked the raw meat you set out for him above.

Anyway, yes, they DO pick-and-choose their Bessler (I) realities, don't they? I suppose it to be that they have no credit whatever to spare, credit where it is FIRST and FOREMOST due. How genuinely sad, being so empty inwardly so as to have to appropriate tiny scraps of false luster unto one's own minute, vapid husk-of-a-self, no?

James (CIC, BesslerWheel)

[ken_behrendt]

Max wrote:

Bessler writing: "Special trials have demonstrated for eyewitnesses that this mechanical wheel is a self-rotating system of several heavy bodies and will be as long as the bodies remain heavy and the universe exists", suggests that there is no time limit for the Machine.

What you think?

Bessler statement is correct, the wheel will turn so long as its weights have mass and weight. However, Bessler was not aware of the revelations of relavity theory that lay two hundred years in his future. As I demonstrated a previous problem hypothetical problem I posted about the Kassel wheel, it takes billions of years to exhaust the supply of mass energy in the weights of an overbalanced wheel. Thus, such a wheel will come to a halt long before the "end" of the universe (which, of course, really has no end).


ken

[primemignonite]

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James wrote:

You have the undoubted lead; so, we are all patiently awaiting results, KB . . .

I, however, continue to impatiently await results. The mystery of Bessler's wheels has dragged on now for almost 3 centuries and, despite the new law of motion, we only have the vaguest idea of how he achieved working overbalanced gravity wheels.

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ken

(Underscoring for emphasis, mine.)

KB, you have not only a sense for the humorous, but also for the ironical as well. They are rare and valuable traits, these days.

Knowing how weights moving about a closed path inside of an overbalanced gravity wheel can output kinetic energy is something that has perplexed me for decades and which, I am sure, has prevented the vast majority of the scientific orthodoxy from considering these devices worthy of any research effort being expended upon them. With the 4th Law of Motion, we at least know that such a system of weights moving in a closed path CAN output energy, although it is done at the expense of the mass of the weights involved. But, in the final analysis, we still need a working mechanism that produces the effect and not just an equation to describe it...

(Underscoring, as above.)

Indeed! We do!

Well, KB, take heart, for a little bird tells me that we MAY not have all that much longer to wait. |:)

James (CIC, BesslerWheel)

[Besslerrevealed]

Dear Friends,

Bessler was not a crackpot but a man who received a revelation from God. In reality what happened was that the scales that cover all of your eyes were lifted from his eyes and saw what many have sought after.

So consider "not revealed before its' time." Later Bessler received a revelation when the Lord told him to put it away because the wheel was not for his time. Bessler understood what was given him and died an obedient servant.

My private question to a few I now ask. The question: For what purpose is the Second Revelation so late? Late is not a reference to tardy, but rather late in the time clock of near to striking midnight.

Can any of you answer this question?

Bessler

John 8:24-25 Can you explain why I use this verse right now?

[Vic Hays]

quote from Besslerrevealed
"The first Bessler understood his purpose. "
"John 8:24-25 Can you explain why I use this verse right now?"



John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 8:25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.


Apparently you are claiming to be the reincarnation of Bessler.
This type of claim could be considered by some to be a little out of the box.

[primemignonite]

Besslerrevealed,

If you are as Hays suggests you may believe, then let ME ask YOU as follows:

For a single cycle configuration, by means of WHAT NUMBER of weights is the torque produced, and the same as to the counter torque?

If you answer incorrectly, I will know who you truly ARE NOT!

You should know this and without any hesitation, IF ye truly be he . . .

James

[ovyyus]

:D

[Besslerrevealed]

primemignonite,

You ask a question that shows more understanding than the many.

I will answer you in a private message.

Bessler

[james kelly]

First we die, and then the judjment.