Georg Künstler's Ideas...

[coylo]

Ken, I have to be honest and tell you that I find your post highly ignorant, in light of the posts I had made.

Your repetitive "nicely, nicely/softly, softly" posting approach creates an impression that "all is well with the world" when it's not.
I've seen enough of this pattern in your posting to reserve the right to make a judgement (not an opinion) that you are the type of guy that Edmond Burke is refering to in his quote......which goes something like this......
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to stand aside and do nothing".

You are a good man Ken - liked by most, but when will you get off the fence and take a stand on something? - I would have more respect for you then.

[LustInBlack]

Coylo : You have to admit that Ken "stands" on his law..

He do not give up ..

Give him some respect ...

[coylo]

LIB,

Ken's commitment, his enthusiasm, his theories.......e.g his 4th law of motion, are not under dispute here.

My issue with him is that he is soft on fraud and he is soft on the deceiving and misleading of others.

I question his judgement sometimes?

[LustInBlack]

Well, maybe he doesn't want to fall into forum wars..

I fall too often in this trap, I try to avoid..

Anyways ..

[digitaljez]

I can not see what Ken said in his post to deserve that rebuke. alliance did not specify the details of how he knows this and it just seemed to me as if Ken was politely prompting him for details. I think he also phrased his post to give Georg an opportunity to come clean without losing face if he does not have a working device.
Or have I totally missed something here?

[ken_behrendt]

coylo wrote:

...when will you get off the fence and take a stand on something? - I would have more respect for you then.

It's, of course, important to "stand" for something in this world. But, I like to stand for the things after I get all of the facts.

Georg claimed (I think!) that he has a continuously running wheel. And alliance claimed (I think!) that he "knows" that Georg does not have a working wheel.

At the moment, I am not sure of any of the "facts" in this situation. I would like to hear from Georg himself if he currently actually has a continuously running wheel.

Generally, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt until the reliable evidence becomes undeniable that they are perpetrating a fraud. Georg has problems with English. It's possible that he might actually have been telling us that his wheel is getting closer to being fully operational, but we are the ones who are turning his poorly written English into a claim of continuous operation of the wheel.

Could it be possible that Georg actually thinks that he has a working wheel even though he does not? Maybe he realizes that the wheel stops, but is convinced that only one minor modification will make it run continuously. Sometimes when inventors get overly enthusiastic about a device that almost works, they start acting like it's already perfected and working continuously. This is not really intentional fraud, but the effects of a case of over optimism.

As far as alliance is concerned, we still do not know the exact nature of the "contact" he had/has with Georg. Did he just telephone or visit him in the past? Has he visited him recently? Did he see all of the things that Georg was working on?

Anyway, I personally still do not think there is enough here to positively accuse Georg of intentional fraud.



ken

[ovyyus]

Well, I think it's obvious that Georg is continuing to misrepresent his ideas to anyone who will listen. The result is that some have been, and probably will be, duped by his fraudulent activities into committing time and money to ideas that would not normally get a second look if it wasn't for the fact that Georg continually lies about his level of success. IMO, this thread would be right at home in the fraud section of the forum - where it belongs.

[LustInBlack]

I don't agree, I think this thread belongs here as there is no definitive conclusion from Georg's ..

The concept is also good, maybe it doesn't work, but the idea is nice..

It could be part of an answer ..

[racer270]

Well, I think it's obvious that Georg is continuing to misrepresent his ideas to anyone who will listen. The result is that some have been, and probably will be, duped by his fraudulent activities into committing time and money to ideas that would not normally get a second look if it wasn't for the fact that Georg continually lies about his level of success. IMO, this thread would be right at home in the fraud section of the forum - where it belongs.

IF HE CANT show some real proof , SOON,.. then i have to agree with Bill

[ovyyus]

Gordy, this thread is 2 1/2 years old - how much more proof or time is needed? Georg misrepresents his work and lies about his success.

He's not the first or the last.

[Joel Wright]

He sure is a persistent consistent bugger though.

[alliance]

Hello to all,

which the easiest question is: Does Georg have a wheel this is selfrunning? He said to me: " I still have no selfrunning wheel. Maybe I soon am so far. "

Please, asks him himself. He will not come on your question. Or he handles the question. I know to 100% he no selfrunning wheel has. This is very topical.

Your time is precious, please have own ideas.

bye Alliance

[ken_behrendt]

Alliance...

Thank you for your post. But, I think the members here would like to hear directly from Georg that he either does or does not have a working device. If he can just give us a straight answer about this matter, then I think that would settle the issue.

Most here (myself included) enjoy seeing what Georg has been busy working on. And, there is no shame attached to having a device fail to work...we've all been there many times in the past ourselves.

But, we tend to take any claims of working devices very seriously around here since that claim may motivate some members to spend much time, effort, and money trying to duplicate the design. It's not right to waste people's time by claiming a design works when, in fact, it does not.

I do hope that Georg will continue to post images of his latest designs here...but, he should also try to let his fellow members know, in as clear a manner as possible, exactly what is the current operational status of the device.


ken

[alliance]

Hello ken,

you are a gentleman. I have rispekt before you. To their answers I join. I wished, I could inform that there could be a positive answer. Georg will know like he acts or must act.

I am a like-minded person of free energy. I have seen many ideas and have evaluated. I am persuaded, there will be free energy. But I would not want that free energy is abused for selfish action single. I have also considered, whether I here poste or not. But it seem as if does somebody want "admiration"???

Yours sincerely
Alliance

[racer270]

ok bill,
that's long enought , it's now time too....