L. Tseung,
Why do you find it pertinent to use the name "Cosmic Energy electric Generator" This reminds me of the ploy by Bruce Depalma and Dr. Paramahamsa Terwari of India.
As a team they attempted to claim energy from space using nothing but a hyped up Faraday generator and called it the N-effect or N-machine. Also known as the "Space power generator.
Considerable effort was spent attempting to make us here in the Americas to believe that Japan, China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and other interests were focusing on the development. claiming that the USA would be left behind in this great breakthrough, due to suppressive activities by the current oil and energy establishments.
This took place in September of 1990. Sorry but I cannot help but think: What goes around comes around!
why is it that all I can derive of your wondrous posts is using a pendulum example to explain a permanent magnet pulse driven motor.
Pulsing coils to negate repelling or attracting fields by the introduction of electricity. To me this spells resistance by Lenz law, Kirchhoff's first and second law's, Impedance and a number of other related basic electrical known phenomenon.
Basically what brought me to this forum was years of seeking a true magnetic motor. No wires or conductive use of emf were to be tolerated in my design. There for I turned to gravity as the source of the required energy to use one conservative force against another.
Years of study and many scams have been purportrated using such concepts of high voltage-low amps or vise-versa to convince people into believing they were getting a free lunch. My first rule of thumb is, if it requires wires to transfer emf, then it is a loser.
With this thought in mind, I am however interested in your pendulum salesmanship. It is as though we have a lever that does not require a place to stand!
Ralph
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To rlortie,
We used the term Cosmic Energy Electricity Generators because we have the theory and the experimental prototypes on the following:
(1) Energy from Still Air demonstration (send water to >50 meters up)
(2) Energy from Ions in the Air Electricity Generators (>3,000 watts)
(3) Energy from water (floatation) Electricity Generators ( a few watts)
(4) 1st generation - Energy from Rotation in Earth's horizontal magnetic field (400watts)
(5) 2nd generation - Energy from both the Earth's vertical magnetic field and Gravity (20,000 watts)
(6) 3rd generation - Energy from Gravity using ICs to produce pulse force (>188 horse power)
(7) 4th generation - Energy from changes in Magnetic Flux (more later)
(8) 5th generation - Energy from Gravity and Imposed Magnetic Fields (>20,000 horse power theoretically)
The following powerpoint presentation file was used in April 2006 at the International Venture Capital Forum in Shenzhen, China. We were voted as the number 1 venture.
http://www.energyfromair.com/english/Ve ... /frame.htm
We hope to demonstrate one or more of the above prototypes in St. Louis in October. There are still many financial and political issues to address.
We used the term Cosmic Energy Electricity Generators because we have the theory and the experimental prototypes on the following:
(1) Energy from Still Air demonstration (send water to >50 meters up)
(2) Energy from Ions in the Air Electricity Generators (>3,000 watts)
(3) Energy from water (floatation) Electricity Generators ( a few watts)
(4) 1st generation - Energy from Rotation in Earth's horizontal magnetic field (400watts)
(5) 2nd generation - Energy from both the Earth's vertical magnetic field and Gravity (20,000 watts)
(6) 3rd generation - Energy from Gravity using ICs to produce pulse force (>188 horse power)
(7) 4th generation - Energy from changes in Magnetic Flux (more later)
(8) 5th generation - Energy from Gravity and Imposed Magnetic Fields (>20,000 horse power theoretically)
The following powerpoint presentation file was used in April 2006 at the International Venture Capital Forum in Shenzhen, China. We were voted as the number 1 venture.
http://www.energyfromair.com/english/Ve ... /frame.htm
We hope to demonstrate one or more of the above prototypes in St. Louis in October. There are still many financial and political issues to address.
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To rlortie,
Please focus on the use IC to generate the Pulse Force. Such a mechanism does not seem to produce back emf. In our 3rd generation, NO permanent magnets were used. See Appendix B in FAQa4.DOC.
Our device is not the Pulse Motor as commonly understood.
We use Pulse Force to "lead out" magnetic or gravitational energy. The "lead out" energy can be calculated to be roughly 50% of the Pulse Energy supplied. But this is good enough to produce the Over Unity Machine. From one of the previous questions and posts, some participants do not like the term "lead out" - a new term might have to be invented. (One of the suggested terms was LeeTseung - the names of the co-inventors. But that usually happens after we win the Nobel Prize.)
In particular, the quantity of Egravity is a function of the rotational speed. We used a starting motor to reach the designed rotational speed first.
I belive you might have to print out the attached files FAQa1.DOC to FAQa4.DOC and read them multiple times. They were the files we used to convince the Patent Examiners.
Please focus on the use IC to generate the Pulse Force. Such a mechanism does not seem to produce back emf. In our 3rd generation, NO permanent magnets were used. See Appendix B in FAQa4.DOC.
Our device is not the Pulse Motor as commonly understood.
We use Pulse Force to "lead out" magnetic or gravitational energy. The "lead out" energy can be calculated to be roughly 50% of the Pulse Energy supplied. But this is good enough to produce the Over Unity Machine. From one of the previous questions and posts, some participants do not like the term "lead out" - a new term might have to be invented. (One of the suggested terms was LeeTseung - the names of the co-inventors. But that usually happens after we win the Nobel Prize.)
In particular, the quantity of Egravity is a function of the rotational speed. We used a starting motor to reach the designed rotational speed first.
I belive you might have to print out the attached files FAQa1.DOC to FAQa4.DOC and read them multiple times. They were the files we used to convince the Patent Examiners.
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I asked some questions in my last post which were completely ignored so....I will try again.
Mr Tseung,
Could you give us specifics on the building of your water pump and how to inject air into the system. I am currently doing the math on an underwater wheel......I would be interested in your solutions of being able to pump up to 5 meters and make it self priming...I would say that your experiments sound similar to that of Bessler, so I am thinking and probably others how to combine them for a solution.
Was our talk on water displacement what lead you to this board.
Mr Tseung,
Could you give us specifics on the building of your water pump and how to inject air into the system. I am currently doing the math on an underwater wheel......I would be interested in your solutions of being able to pump up to 5 meters and make it self priming...I would say that your experiments sound similar to that of Bessler, so I am thinking and probably others how to combine them for a solution.
Was our talk on water displacement what lead you to this board.
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To Jon J Hutton
The calculation of Energy of Air is
Energy of Air in = Volume In x Pressure In
Energy of Air out = Volume Out x Pressure Out
If there is sufficient interest, we can start another thread - titled Energy from Still Air. I would like to focus on the working Cosmic Energy Electricity Generators in this thread.
I deliberately delayed that discussion. It is related to Energy from Still Air. The formula and mathematics are totally different. The key concept is that Air is NOT a Fuel but an Energy Carrier. Energy carried by Air into a system can be different from Energy carried out by Air from the same system. We built half of the demo - sending water up. The remaining half is to get the raised water to flow down to generate electricity and to power the AIR pump. The efficiency of existing hydro-electric generator system is much less than 70%. A self extracting Energy from Still Air Electricity Generator is unlikely. So we leave that project to the research students. We want to focus on products for the market.Could you give us specifics on the building of your water pump and how to inject air into the system. I am currently doing the math on an underwater wheel......I would be interested in your solutions of being able to pump up to 5 meters and make it self priming...I would say that your experiments sound similar to that of Bessler, so I am thinking and probably others how to combine them for a solution.
The calculation of Energy of Air is
Energy of Air in = Volume In x Pressure In
Energy of Air out = Volume Out x Pressure Out
If there is sufficient interest, we can start another thread - titled Energy from Still Air. I would like to focus on the working Cosmic Energy Electricity Generators in this thread.
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OK,
I have reviewed the Power point presentation, I was not impressed.
I also was not impressed when you stated that the inventor of all this got the idea from a toy that is sitting on my desk. I know its capabilities and how long it will move a mass with four AA size batteries. At ambient average temperature mine has run for 15 months. To some that may seem like a long time for four batteries to last using your lead out theory.
I have an East-West property line of 300 feet. At each end I will hang a pendulum, I will then string a bare copper wire from one pendulum to the other cutting the earths N-S poles. One shall have this wire grounded to earth after passing through a series wired and switched pulse coil. This coil will be aligned to a magnet on the pendulum bob. A power transister and a Radio shack hall switch may also be considered.
The two 300 feet spaced pendulums will swing in tandem causing 300 feet of conductor to cut the earths magnetic field. Any wind vibration will be a plus!
If this test should achieve any thing close to what you are selling I will show more interest.
Jon,
Air can push water for a long ways providing the force to build the pressure is available. But remember, air can only suck that equal to barometric pressure which is usually around 27 feet at sea level. There is not a pump built that can suck any higher.
Ralph
I have reviewed the Power point presentation, I was not impressed.
I also was not impressed when you stated that the inventor of all this got the idea from a toy that is sitting on my desk. I know its capabilities and how long it will move a mass with four AA size batteries. At ambient average temperature mine has run for 15 months. To some that may seem like a long time for four batteries to last using your lead out theory.
I have an East-West property line of 300 feet. At each end I will hang a pendulum, I will then string a bare copper wire from one pendulum to the other cutting the earths N-S poles. One shall have this wire grounded to earth after passing through a series wired and switched pulse coil. This coil will be aligned to a magnet on the pendulum bob. A power transister and a Radio shack hall switch may also be considered.
The two 300 feet spaced pendulums will swing in tandem causing 300 feet of conductor to cut the earths magnetic field. Any wind vibration will be a plus!
If this test should achieve any thing close to what you are selling I will show more interest.
Jon,
Air can push water for a long ways providing the force to build the pressure is available. But remember, air can only suck that equal to barometric pressure which is usually around 27 feet at sea level. There is not a pump built that can suck any higher.
Ralph
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Ralph I not doubting this.I'd just like clarity.Is this to say no vacum pump built can suck water more than 27 ft. height regardless of pipe diameter 1/16 inch or 6 feet?Thats very interesting.Curious.I never realize that. Air can push water for a long ways providing the force to build the pressure is available. But remember, air can only suck that equal to barometric pressure which is usually around 27 feet at sea level. There is not a pump built that can suck any higher.
Work with gravity and gravity will work for you.There are more than two sides to a wheel.
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Joel,
For Clarity! :-)
When you suck on a straw in a milk shake you are not actually pulling the shake up the straw. You are relieving the ambient pressure within the straw allowing the atmosphere pushing down on the surface to force the shake up the straw. Ever have the straw plug up and no matter how hard you tried, you could not pull the shake to your mouth? To clear it you would have no problem blowing it back out.
To create a vacuum greater than air pressure can push will stay a vacuum never filling with liquid. Therefore at sea level being as low as you can go for greater atmospheric pressure, the average lifting ability is about 27 feet on the average.
Size of volume or pipe diameter has no bearing, the column of water can be of any diameter. The atmosphere or barometric pressure governs how high you can lift it by vacuum.
This is why for deep wells submersible or jet pumps are used. A centrifugal pump will not suck anything at any level unless primed.
Ralph
For Clarity! :-)
When you suck on a straw in a milk shake you are not actually pulling the shake up the straw. You are relieving the ambient pressure within the straw allowing the atmosphere pushing down on the surface to force the shake up the straw. Ever have the straw plug up and no matter how hard you tried, you could not pull the shake to your mouth? To clear it you would have no problem blowing it back out.
To create a vacuum greater than air pressure can push will stay a vacuum never filling with liquid. Therefore at sea level being as low as you can go for greater atmospheric pressure, the average lifting ability is about 27 feet on the average.
Size of volume or pipe diameter has no bearing, the column of water can be of any diameter. The atmosphere or barometric pressure governs how high you can lift it by vacuum.
This is why for deep wells submersible or jet pumps are used. A centrifugal pump will not suck anything at any level unless primed.
Ralph
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What kinds of energy can air carry? Please define different kinds of energy by examples.Energy carried by Air into a system can be different from Energy carried out by Air from the same system.
To carry energy by air requires a differential or gradient. This can only be obtained by adding energy to effect the gradient process.
Energy is energy, the capacity of a physical system to do work, containing usable heat or power.
Ralph
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To rlortie,
I have started another thread titled - Energy from Still Air.
From our experience, discussing two related topics but using different sets of mathematics in the same forum will confuse the participants.
I shall use the Energy from Still Air thread to address that set of questions and issues. If you find me not answering you in this thread, go to the other thread.
However, that thread is of low priority for the October Renewable Energy Conference in St Louis. So do not be surprised if the response is not as prompt.
I have started another thread titled - Energy from Still Air.
From our experience, discussing two related topics but using different sets of mathematics in the same forum will confuse the participants.
I shall use the Energy from Still Air thread to address that set of questions and issues. If you find me not answering you in this thread, go to the other thread.
However, that thread is of low priority for the October Renewable Energy Conference in St Louis. So do not be surprised if the response is not as prompt.
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ltseung
This article seems to be very much along the lines of what you are talking about. How similar is it?
http://www.americanantigravity.com/docu ... ontrol.pdf
This article seems to be very much along the lines of what you are talking about. How similar is it?
http://www.americanantigravity.com/docu ... ontrol.pdf
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Mr. Tseung...
Have you actually built any devices, rotary or otherwise, which are self-powered and continuously running once started?
From reading your various posts here, one gets the impression that there are so many working perpetual motion devices in China that people over there are tripping over them.
You cite the many patents being filed in China for all of these devices, but then state that the Chinese Patent Office, like the US Patent Office, will not grant a patent on any device which the inventor claims will create energy. If that is the case, then any patents being granted in China must be for devices that do not make that claim and, therefore, need not be able to operate continuously.
Most here are not that impressed by granted patents or an inventor's unsubstantiated claim to have a working device. Most here would only be impressed if an inventor claims to have a working device and can then show us the design so that we can personally build it, either in the shop or with a good CAD program, and see for ourselves that it does, in fact, work.
ken
Have you actually built any devices, rotary or otherwise, which are self-powered and continuously running once started?
From reading your various posts here, one gets the impression that there are so many working perpetual motion devices in China that people over there are tripping over them.
You cite the many patents being filed in China for all of these devices, but then state that the Chinese Patent Office, like the US Patent Office, will not grant a patent on any device which the inventor claims will create energy. If that is the case, then any patents being granted in China must be for devices that do not make that claim and, therefore, need not be able to operate continuously.
Most here are not that impressed by granted patents or an inventor's unsubstantiated claim to have a working device. Most here would only be impressed if an inventor claims to have a working device and can then show us the design so that we can personally build it, either in the shop or with a good CAD program, and see for ourselves that it does, in fact, work.
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
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To ken_behrendt,
Please see the pictures B2, B3, B4 and B5 in Appendix B in the file FAQa4.DOC. They show working models generating 400 watts, 20,000 watts and 188 horse power respectively.
They were NOT perfect yet as they kept "burning". We could not produce a continuous working Electricity Generator that could operate without breakdown for over 6 months.
The first working model shown in B3 was in Feb 2000. The inventor, Mr. Sung, did not know the theory at that time and could not answer the question from the China Patent Office - what is the source of your energy? However, he was granted the patent as he could demonstrate a working prototype.
In 2004, he applied for an improvement patent. Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and myself went to Beijing to present the whole concept of Cosmic Energy Electricity Generators at the China Patent Office. Mr. Sung got the improvement patent granted and also won the Gold Patent Award from the China Patent Office.(China Patent Application Number 200410015341.2)
We are planning to get such working models to USA in October even if they were not perfect. That is the purpose of this dry run. I am sure that many doubters will change their minds when they see the working prototypes. (We just hope that the prototypes would not burnt during the exhibition.)
Without the working prototypes, we could not have been voted the Number One Venture and Mr. Lee Cheung Kin could not be regarded as the Number One Genius in this World.
I am sure that within 12 months of our showing the working prototypes in USA, there would be at least a hundred working variations worldwide. Hopefully, they will all pay royalties.
If your group can get together and read FAQa4.DOC carefully, I am sure that your group can get one or more prototypes working as well. I read many near misses in your posts. Please understand the theory before experimenting. Do not waste time and effort.
Please see the pictures B2, B3, B4 and B5 in Appendix B in the file FAQa4.DOC. They show working models generating 400 watts, 20,000 watts and 188 horse power respectively.
They were NOT perfect yet as they kept "burning". We could not produce a continuous working Electricity Generator that could operate without breakdown for over 6 months.
The first working model shown in B3 was in Feb 2000. The inventor, Mr. Sung, did not know the theory at that time and could not answer the question from the China Patent Office - what is the source of your energy? However, he was granted the patent as he could demonstrate a working prototype.
In 2004, he applied for an improvement patent. Mr. Lee Cheung Kin and myself went to Beijing to present the whole concept of Cosmic Energy Electricity Generators at the China Patent Office. Mr. Sung got the improvement patent granted and also won the Gold Patent Award from the China Patent Office.(China Patent Application Number 200410015341.2)
We are planning to get such working models to USA in October even if they were not perfect. That is the purpose of this dry run. I am sure that many doubters will change their minds when they see the working prototypes. (We just hope that the prototypes would not burnt during the exhibition.)
Without the working prototypes, we could not have been voted the Number One Venture and Mr. Lee Cheung Kin could not be regarded as the Number One Genius in this World.
I am sure that within 12 months of our showing the working prototypes in USA, there would be at least a hundred working variations worldwide. Hopefully, they will all pay royalties.
If your group can get together and read FAQa4.DOC carefully, I am sure that your group can get one or more prototypes working as well. I read many near misses in your posts. Please understand the theory before experimenting. Do not waste time and effort.
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TSEUNG
Ok now I am completely bored by your references to your FAQS !
First, my only definition of FAQ is Frequently Asked Questions ..
Your FAQ is just brief .. It doesn't answer anything.
It's a mix-up of concepts that are fishy ..
Magnetic Shielding, Pulsed Force, Pendulum, Gravity Force, magic formula, history of an old janitor that we don't care about.....
Don't you understand they don't contain that much information after all !?
We want you to come forward with your own explanations and drawings..
We don't want you to reference us to your FAQs all the time.
That only prove you've got no idea of what you are talking about, you are just fishing...
Show us some pictures that you made NOW ..
Show us a picture of your working wheel ..
Better, a video .. not a link that doesn't work .
Explain why when we search your name on google, we get links about you seeking money all the time ...
You have that skill to dodge questions, and that isn't giving you any chance..
Understand that your claims need better backing than a simple word document ..
You didn't post any link to your patent .. It should be online .
You powerpoint presentations on your site are just blurry useless explanations ... It's fishy .
Your way to introduce yourself is fishy ..
Your attitude is fishy ..
The only possible conclusion is that you are fishy.
Unless you provide us with something more informative, a real proof, a video, testimonies, cad drawings ...
Stop repeating...
You know what you can do !? .
- Quote this post, answer to all question one after the other.
- Fix your links to your video (if it's not already done).
Ok now I am completely bored by your references to your FAQS !
First, my only definition of FAQ is Frequently Asked Questions ..
Your FAQ is just brief .. It doesn't answer anything.
It's a mix-up of concepts that are fishy ..
Magnetic Shielding, Pulsed Force, Pendulum, Gravity Force, magic formula, history of an old janitor that we don't care about.....
Don't you understand they don't contain that much information after all !?
We want you to come forward with your own explanations and drawings..
We don't want you to reference us to your FAQs all the time.
That only prove you've got no idea of what you are talking about, you are just fishing...
Show us some pictures that you made NOW ..
Show us a picture of your working wheel ..
Better, a video .. not a link that doesn't work .
Explain why when we search your name on google, we get links about you seeking money all the time ...
You have that skill to dodge questions, and that isn't giving you any chance..
Understand that your claims need better backing than a simple word document ..
You didn't post any link to your patent .. It should be online .
You powerpoint presentations on your site are just blurry useless explanations ... It's fishy .
Your way to introduce yourself is fishy ..
Your attitude is fishy ..
The only possible conclusion is that you are fishy.
Unless you provide us with something more informative, a real proof, a video, testimonies, cad drawings ...
Stop repeating...
You know what you can do !? .
- Quote this post, answer to all question one after the other.
- Fix your links to your video (if it's not already done).