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To LustInBlack, ken_behrendt, Vic Hays, rlortie, Jon J Hutton

From your questions, I know that you are close to designing a working Cosmic Energy Electricity Generator yourself. Let me help you with the following questions so that you can actually design one within a few days. Obviously, you can share your thoughts with each other.

Q1: In the 3rd generation Cosmic Machine, how is the Pulse Force generated?

Q2: Why is a starting motor used?

Q3: If I want to design a Machine with output of 100 horse power, what should be the weight, the radius of the Cylinder, the length of the cylinder and the rotational speed?

Q4: How many rows of ICs should I use? How should they be programmed?

Q5: How should the generated power be converted into electricity?

Q6: What is the feedback mechanism and how should I prevent sending too much gravitational energy to the machine?

I find myself repeating the same thing over and over again. If you are successful in answering the above, either alone or as a group, I am confident that you can come up with a working design.

All answers are already in my posts and the FAQs.
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How high are you able to raise the water using this method

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Many here have said that the height one can raise water is 27 feet. What are you able to raise water to using this method.
Many here have said that the height one can raise water is 27 feet. What are you able to raise water to using this method.
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First you say
This solutions appears to be most promising.

Since we have already proven that the power to drive the pump can be a constant, that constant will be equated to the minimum height (or number of floors) to drive the turbine which in turn drives the pump. Any extra height can be used to generate extra electricity.

Since we want to turn a water turbine to generate electricity in any case, we can use the same turbine to drive the pump! The Spring at the pump may not even be needed. With the appropriate flywheel, gears and mechanical attachments, the pump will operate together with the action of the turbine. The water can be sucked up from the bottom container.



Then you say



The efficiency of existing hydro-electric generator system is much less than 70%. A self extracting Energy from Still Air Electricity Generator is unlikely


hmmmm.

Their is a big difference between theory and truth from a working model

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I am going to work on building a replica of this water pump and let you know my findings.

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Jon,

Please do not waste your time on this nonsense.

If an electric pump can raise water high enough to turn a generator which drives the motor on the pump, why not just connect the motor to the generator.

THis crap is getting ridiculous to say the least!

A pump can only pull water 27 feet at sea level, it can push much higher but uses more energy to do so.

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This is all similar to Joe Newman's presentation of free energy claims. Mr. Tseung makes a lot of vague claims backed up by few details. He shows some interesting experiments but leaves out much of the facts. For instance in this case you can pump a combination of water and air to a very high height with very little air pressure. But the details are that it requires a very large volume of air to do it. In other words air can be used "like a lever" to pump water to very high heights. But as all here know levers can trade forces for distance.

Mr. Tseung keeps referring to the FAQÂ’s documents. These documents are not informative. What I would like to see is the patent drawings from the following patents...
From the State Intellectual Property Office of Peoples Republic of China...
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Title: Magnetic-energy electric generator
Application Number: 99126283
Application Date: 1999.12.23
Publication Number: 1255776
Publication Date: 2000.06.07
Approval Pub. Date:
Granted Pub. Date:
International Classification: H02K53/00,H02N11/00
Applicant(s) Name: Song Tianfa
Address: 510500
Inventor(s) Name:
Attorney & Agent: chen ming
Abstract
A magnetic-energy electric generator using permanent magnet as energy source is composed of mainshaft, commutator, casing and stator-rotor set the commutator is positioned at one end of mainshaft and others at another end. There are at least two layers of stator-rotor set in the casing. Each layer is composed of inner sleeve, partition, stator rotor, magnets of rotor and locating sleeve of mainshaft. Different windings are wound on stator. The rotor with more magnets is fixed to manshaft. It can also be modified into magnetic-energy motor.
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Title: Cosmic gravity energy acceleration motor vehicle
Application Number: 01123526
Application Date: 2001.07.30
Publication Number: 1400384
Publication Date: 2003.03.05
Approval Pub. Date:
Granted Pub. Date:
International Classification: F03G7/00
Applicant(s) Name: Liang Xingren
Address: 450052
Inventor(s) Name:
Attorney & Agent:
Abstract
In a stainless steel cylinder the intelligent chip and intelligent integrated circuit chip and respectively mounted on its two sides, the centre of the stainless steel cylinder is equipped with a shaft connected with external load, said stainless steel cylinder is connected with external load by means of wire, so that said load which does not use any fuel and can start said cosmic gravitational force energy perpetual motion machine can be rotated. Said ivnention is applicable to various vehicles, and its volume is small, weight is light and it has no pollution.
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Application Number 2005101014341 (not found)
I'm sure that these patents are written in Chinese but drawings many times speak by themselves.

Tseung speaks about having trouble with the circuits burning up so that it is difficult to show a working model.

Over many years there have been a number of (supposed) over unity free energy motors and/or generators. Ed Gray, Newman, Moray, Bearden etc. I have almost 30 computer file folders concerning such. But in each case the inventor ran into trouble developing the invention. All seemed to have their own ideas about where the excess energy came from. But when it came time to improve or duplicate their invention each seemed to fail. And with each failure came accusations of fraud. But were they all fraud? I don't think so. I've looked at all the electrical devices and there is a common character to all. That common character might be called pulse/cascade. When you cause an electrical field to form then almost immediately a back emf electrical force develops. It seems that in most of these devices there is a quick pulse then a harnessing of the resulting longer stronger pulse that develops as the first pulse collapses. The second pulse must then feed back in sync to generate the next pulse cycle. The problem to be solved is one of size and frequency. When any component is changed then the system gets upset. This can cause the system to stop functioning, or it can cause the system to function better and even burn up circuits.

The poor inventor usually does not know for sure why his invention worked in the first place and when it quits working he doesn't know why it quit. All he can do is trial and error to get it working again. And of course anyone attempting to duplicate it also fails. If the inventor has borrowed money then his backers become upset because he can't produce.

Where does this energy come from? Each inventor has his own ideas. I believe I know but of course I can't prove anything. I'm convinced that there exists an ever present 'something' force that I like to call 'ether energy'. This is something that we earthlings can not see, smell, touch or taste. But we see its affects all the time. It has some characteristics that are unusual compared to most of what we know. It moved or flows in all directions at once. At first this may seem strange. But compare it to light. Light flow or moves in all directions at once. This ether energy has differing vibration frequencies. So does light. Ether energy is the building 'material' for all that exits. When an atomic bomb explodes it breaks apart matter back into the many forms of ether energy such as heat, light, radiation, etc.

In order to use this ether energy to do work we must learn and understand how it function and acts. Much of this we already know. We have learned much about physics, electronics, chemistry, electromagnetics, etc. The knowledge that is lacking concerns how forces are a manifestation of unequal ether energy. When we pulse an electromagnet we are blocking ether energy from flowing. Ether energy then piles up and the ether energy flow becomes distorted. We see this as it interacts with certain materials such as copper coils or iron objects. We measure it as back emf and capacitor charges. The solution is to pulse coils for a very short duration. Then let ether energy replace the flow which we capture and use. If you can get the frequency of the pulses in sync with the back emf then you can cause the whole system to oscillate and the pulses will build in intensity.

Ether energy flows at differing speed through different materials, just like light does. Any device that an inventor might build will consist of differing materials of differing thicknesses. In any ether energy gathering device all the components within the device must be considered as they might affect the speed of the ether energy flow. The frequencies of operation are critical. If a component is made from a thicker or thinner material it will affect the operating frequency. If the composition of a material is changed it will affect the operation. The device must be protected from over activity that might damage the components since there is an almost unlimited supply of ether energy available.

So is Mr. Tseung a fraud? Is Newman a fraud? Is Bearden a fraud? Was Ed Gray a fraud? Is Vandussen a fraud? Was Bessler a fraud? I have opinions, but no absolutely true or false answers. Probably somewhere in the middle lay the truth. There seems to be enough evidence to suggest that there is much we don't know about our universe. Many think that they know almost everything. I suggest that we still have a lot to learn and few are looking in the right places.

If Mr. Tseung wants to be taken seriously then he must be much more open and truthful. If the above patents applications have been issued or published (I'm not familiar with Chinese patent procedures) then he should post the patent drawings now and post the translations when they become available. Or alternately post drawings and descriptions of how these devices are said to work. Anything less will cause him to be regarded as just another fraud out to gain money from gullible investors.

These are just my opinions.

Concerning the water pumping, it's possible to use air bubbles and water to pump water (and air) to very great heights with little pressure. But it requires a lot of air to be pumped with a little water. It's like leverage. On the downside you get very little water to drive things. The proccess gets quite complicated when you consider temperature changes, compression, decompression, etc.

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To jim_mich,

Great job. You managed to get the Chinese Patent Office information.
Mr Sung Tim Fan in our FAQ is indeed Mr. Song Tianfa in your quote. When names are translated into English, they might look different. The figures you want to see are actually figures B2 and B3 (or Cosmic Energy Electricity Generators generation 1 and 2)

Dr. Liang Sing Yan in our FAQ is indeed Liang Xingren in your quote. The figures you want to see are actually figures B4 and B5 (or Cosmic Energy Electricity Generator generation 3)

Thank you for your effort which confirms the correctness of our information.
But were they all fraud? I don't think so. I've looked at all the electrical devices and there is a common character to all. That common character might be called pulse/cascade. When you cause an electrical field to form then almost immediately a back emf electrical force develops. It seems that in most of these devices there is a quick pulse then a harnessing of the resulting longer stronger pulse that develops as the first pulse collapses. The second pulse must then feed back in sync to generate the next pulse cycle. The problem to be solved is one of size and frequency. When any component is changed then the system gets upset. This can cause the system to stop functioning, or it can cause the system to function better and even burn up circuits.

The poor inventor usually does not know for sure why his invention worked in the first place and when it quits working he doesn't know why it quit. All he can do is trial and error to get it working again. And of course anyone attempting to duplicate it also fails. If the inventor has borrowed money then his backers become upset because he can't produce.
You are brilliant in your observation. We used Video to avoid the embrassment of prototype burning in the Exhibitions. However, we now know that under carefully controlled conditions, the chance of burning can be kept to a minimum. We are willing to share this fun and tears with other scientists.
If Mr. Tseung wants to be taken seriously then he must be much more open and truthful. If the above patents applications have been issued or published (I'm not familiar with Chinese patent procedures) then he should post the patent drawings now and post the translations when they become available. Or alternately post drawings and descriptions of how these devices are said to work. Anything less will cause him to be regarded as just another fraud out to gain money from gullible investors.
You are already seeing the refined pictures from the China patents in B2, B3, B4 and B5. I shall upload the full scanned China patents with figures etc. to my website. However, full translation into English will required much more time and expertise. (Patent documents are NOT everyday word documents. Wrong translation is worst than no translation.)

Go to the other thread Energy from Still Air for pump discussions.

Please consider joining LustInBlack, ken_behrendt, Vic Hays, rlortie, Jon J Hutton in developing your version of the 3rd generation Cosmic Energy Electricity Generator. Read that posted message and come up with the answers to the posted questions. Your design will be easy with such answers.

I do not have to repeat and repeat once your team come up with the design in a few days time.
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A simple pulse motor operates by either a make and break system or "Hall' switching via a power transistor circuit. The collapsing field is sent back through a Wheatstone Bridge rectifier circuit made of diodes and is put back into a battery or capacitor. there it is stored until time for the next pulse.

Energy related forums are full of these designs by many different names. One of the earlier concepts was made by a personal acquaintence of mine. Bill Muller, he called it the UNI-Polar High Frequency Motor Alternator in 1987. You will learn that Bill has since departed, but you will find that his daughter, Carmon is still active with his concepts.

a Google search on Muller or pulse motors will reveal that nothing transpiring here is of new technology.

http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet ... muller.htm

Go here for ambient temprature energy sources and what ever else you find of interest. http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet ... u/main.htm

For pulse motors try here: http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&o ... ulse+motor

If this does not prove my point that "ltseung888" does not have anything new to offer, I will provide more upon request.

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Muller is on my list...
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Searl
GravityPush
TappingZPE
Adams
Magnetic
Hubbard
HamsterCageMotor
Tesla
Moray
GravityGate
Sweet
RayD
NMachine
HansColer
CoilCap
GastonPlante
Hendershot
CapacitorFlow
Natural
MagFlow
Faraday
Griggs
FieldGen
PerpetualLight
CaduceusCoil
GravityDevice
RJohnsonMotor
Toroid
Hyde
Gary(HarperMag)
Brown-Ecklin
InventorsList
Correa
SandyKidd
Aspden
Russian
EVGray
Wavicle_files
Aether
Science
Marinov
Cook
Costa
Perrigo
Jenson
Rodin
ForceField
TBrown
QuantumScience
Wilshurst
Electrostatic Generator
Earth's Electricity
Cater
Prentice
Ecklin
Meyer
Bearden
ATree
Shumovsky
Newman
Francoeur
Wuerth
MEG
Priore
Wittaker
Electric Distribution
Genesis Project
Leedskalnin
HJohnson
Bedini
TransWorld
NegResistor
RexResearch
TimeEnergyPump
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Kunel
Muller
EBattery
Grebennikov
Dragone
PhaseConjugateMirror
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jim-mich,

That is a very impressive collection you have there. Something I should have started many years ago.

Your list states that it is edited, is this why I do not see Troy Reed of Tulsa Oklahoma on it? Or is he one that you are not aware of.

If you are not familiar with his four piston double disk magnetic motor, let me know and I will scan and document my hard copy dated February 5, 1991. It sounds as though it belongs in your collection.

http://www.lightworksav.com/index.asp?P ... rodID=2445

http://control-alt-delete.ca/v-web/bull ... php?t=4249&

I am sure you are aware of this link, but I am adding it for the benifit of others,

http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html

here is a last minute find, look at the bottom.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/qmmtr.htm

Oop's just noticed that Bruce DePalma is not on your list besides Tewari.

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Jim, good list. As an ex-associate of Robert Adams (deceased earlier this year) and his company I have to say that from personal experience his name should be struck from your list. First-hand experiences with others on your list such as Searl, Bedini, Bearden, Aspden (also an Adams associate), Tewari, DePalma (N-Machine), might elicit a similar response.

OTOH, Stephan Marinov (now deceased) was an amazingly smart and energetic fellow always looking for a way to crack the alt-energy problem. For years he investigated numerous claims (he actually held a working Methernitha disk in his hands) and conducted some spirited original research himself but, in the end, was depressed to find that no claim or device could be reproduced. We had some great conversations and his tragic and untimely death was a loss.
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Well I finally heard back from an engineer that works here in the states (most know who I am talking about ) He is Chinese from Hong Kong. Here is his e-mail and some things he told me personally from a phone conversation after his e-mail.
Hi Jon,

Well, it does sound too good to be true. And when something sounds too good to be true... The "paper" and the website seem more like an investment pitch than a scientific paper to me.

It is certainly possible to pump water vertically upward to a good height, given one-way valves. I just don't see readily how it relates to free energy.

It sounds like a cheap penny stock presentation and some of the rehtoric was more than I could handle.

Some of the equations were either wrong or too vague.

why hasn't some of the auto dealers cut hugh deals with the car that is free energy....its been around long enough to hear more publicity about it.

There are many scam's that come from Hong Kong so be carefull.

The classroom experiments used the wrong measurments.

Also, I will be interested to see the amazing fuel-less car. Hard to believe that no major press had a news story on it (at least I haven't heard of one).

I personally won't spend too much time dwelling upon it.
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ltseung888,
Please consider joining LustInBlack, ken_behrendt, Vic Hays, rlortie, Jon J Hutton in developing your version of the 3rd generation Cosmic Energy Electricity Generator. Read that posted message and come up with the answers to the posted questions. Your design will be easy with such answers.
Please remove my name from your above list! I am not, nor never have been interested in developing anything with any one that you have posted on this forum. You have not shown me anything that I consider of value and I do not want my name connected to any of your publicity.

You are pushing close to a civil Tort and lawsuit for deformation of character. I advise you be a little more careful with your name dropping.

I watched your PowerPoint presentation and all I received from it was the quest for investors with more money than common sense.

If you have come to this forum looking for investors, you are fishing in pond full of Piranha's. And if that is not bad enough we have one that is cross bread with a Tasmanian Devil!

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Ralph wrote:If you have come to this forum looking for investors, you are fishing in pond full of Piranha's. And if that is not bad enough we have one that is cross bread with a Tasmanian Devil!
Very true! Especially the Tasmanian Devil part.

I'm aware of Reed and DePalma but I might not have created a file for them. My files kind of grew without any foresight.

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Ralph wrote:If you have come to this forum looking for investors, you are fishing in pond full of Piranha's. And if that is not bad enough we have one that is cross bread with a Tasmanian Devil!
i second that ralph ,.....LOL....LOL...
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