Cosmic Energy Electricity Generators

[jimmyjj]

Hello ltseung888

This topic is quite interesting.

I note your very first words

"Mystery of the Bessler Wheel completely solved"

I have reviewed your documents and see no resemblance to Besslers wheel.

Are you saying that you could reproduce Besslers wheel using 17th century materials?

or using 21st century integrated circuits or both?.

In fact if the mystery of the Bessler wheel is completely solved do you therefore then have a scale working model if not how are you sure it is Besslers?

Oh and can it turn both ways?

Your power outputs are phenomenal i would like to just see a wheel turn itself can you show a picture or video or animation of this or these.

All the best

Jimmy

[ltseung888]

To Jimmyjj,

"Mystery of the Bessler Wheel completely solved"

I have reviewed your documents and see no resemblance to Besslers wheel.

Are you saying that you could reproduce Besslers wheel using 17th century materials?

or using 21st century integrated circuits or both?.

In fact if the mystery of the Bessler wheel is completely solved do you therefore then have a scale working model if not how are you sure it is Besslers?

Oh and can it turn both ways?
Your power outputs are phenomenal i would like to just see a wheel turn itself can you show a picture or video or animation of this or these.

All the best

Mystery of the Bessler Wheel completely solved refers to knowing the theory behind the energy. The energy is gravitational.

We already built and demonstrated the wheel like device using ICs and achieved power output of 188 horse power. The design principles are already in my posts and the FAQ files. Patent information and refined pictures from such patents were also in the FAQ files. Some of the experts in this group should be able to come up with a possible design.

We now focus on getting the Cosmic Energy Electricity Generators (1st, 2nd and 3rd generations) ready for International Demonstration. The minimum we would do is to invite reputable International News Media Companies to do TV and magazine write-ups. The more daring move is to ship the prototypes to USA in October and leave them behind for the USA academics and audience. The scientists from China and USA can work together to solve the unreliability problems.

That should settle the issue once for all.

As for building the old fashioned Bessler Wheel, we shall let your group get the credit. We are more interested in products for the market.

[jim_mich]

Mr. Tseung,

It is very clear that you have NOT "completely solved" the mystery of the Bessler Wheel. You have not designed nor have you built a Bessler type wheel.

You say that you have achieved power output of 188 horse power using IC's (integrated circuits) that switch magnetic poles causing rotation. ALL motors work by switching magnetic poles. You show no details as to how to replicate your motor. For a patent to be valid it MUST show the basics of how to build the invention.

What you show means nothing. It is just vague pictures. If you want to be taken seriously you need to provide details of how you acomplish the things you claim.

If you try to present to the news media the information you have provided to this forum then you will be laughed right out of the USA. Your presentation is pathetic. What you need to develop is credibility. Credibility is built upon truth and honesty. So far you have presented half-truths. If you want credibility you need to disclose EXACTLY how someone can build one of your proposed devices. You need to EXPLAIN in great detail how your devices extract and convert energy.

I'm not saying that your ideas don't work. But until you can prove that they work the assumption will always be that they do not. So if you want to be taken seriously you will need to show without any doubt that they do work. And you will need to show clearly how and why they work. You will need to show this in such a manner that anyone "skilled in art" could reproduce your results. So far what you have shown is close to meaningless.

Maybe your fellow countrymen in China are too polite. Americans (and Australians) are different. We tell it like it is. The facts are that the way you have presented your ideas so far is real crap. Maybe you have something and maybe you don't. But your presentation has all the appearance of being a fraud. It seems your are seeking "reputable International News Media Companies to do TV and magazine write-ups" to make a fraud look reputable.

The conference in the USA being presented by the Department of Energy (DOE) and the Department of Agriculture (USDA) will be focused mostly on ethenol production, wind power system, bio mass, etc. Is this where you really want to present a fuelless engine idea?

USDA and DOE Announce National Renewable Energy Conference
USDA and DOE have announced that they will co-host a national renewable energy conference to help create partnerships and strategies necessary to accelerate commercialization of renewable energy industries and distribution systems. The conference, Advancing Renewable Energy: An American Rural Renaissance, is scheduled for October 10-12, 2006, in St. Louis, Missouri. "We are hopeful this conference will identify major impediments and critical pathways to get more domestically grown, renewable energy sources out of the laboratory and into consumers' hands as soon as possible," said Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman. The conference will address biomass, wind, and solar research and commercialization. More...

[rlortie]

ltseung888

We already built and demonstrated the wheel like device using ICs and achieved power output of 188 horse power

Then why do you state that it takes your girl friend to push it up a hill? 188 horsepower is sufficient for quite a moderate size vehicle. How are you measuring this horsepower. It obviously must not be with a Prony Brake.

Some of the experts in this group should be able to come up with a possible design.

So now you are admitting that you do not have the answers and expect us to solve the riddle anyway. Well that is what we have been trying to do all along. We could probably make better progress if it were not for your razzle dazzle meaningless input.

The scientists from China and USA can work together to solve the unreliability problems.

What unreliable problems do you admit to existing? The biggest I presume is that you do not have any substantial proof for seeking investment money. You come to this forum in an attempt to convince us that you have the answers and then ask for us to solve it! We call that fishing scamming, it does not work that way.

That should settle the issue once for all.

Yes it certainly does settle the issue. The riddle of Bessler's wheel has not been solved as you so reiterate. You now admit that you have no proof of your claims, and have shown us nothing but a play on words of technology that is already in existence and already patented, one way or another. You declared that when you said that the man behind all this got the idea from a magnetic toy That is already patented and sitting on my desk.

Ralph

[LustInBlack]

This thread is becoming funniest each time there is a reply..

There is this guy that keeps repeating the same old thing.. Trying to get respected by putting some of our names on his list .. So we can make a machine that we know nothing about. [Please remove my name, as you convinced me that you have nothing]

We have yet to see any patent, which should be the first and only information he should be refering too, not his stupid FAQs .


Tseung, you know what, you just reinvented the electrical motor, the pendulum and the clock !

According to what you say, someone on a bicycle, should be able to produce free energy! .. Yes, because when he pushes on the pedals, he gives a pulse! ..


Tseung, a slap in the face is more pleasant than your appearance on this forum.

Quite not impressive.

[ken_behrendt]

I think that what we have seen here is a form "bait and switch".

First we are told that the secret of Bessler's wheels had been solved. That, of course, got everybody's attention. Then the presentation turned to self-pumping pendula, then to rotary motion, then to permanent magnet motors using mysterious shielding materials, and then to pneumatic/hydraulic devices. Finally, we are told that some devices that are still not perfected have been built and that a big media blitz is being anticipated in the USA that will somehow involve demonstrations of the alleged devices at the St. Louis Free Energy Fair.

I have not seen anything so far that I could build a WM2D model of or a real one if I had the inclination to.

I'm starting to view the "presentation" so far as nothing more than an advertisement for the upcoming free energy fair and, possibly, an effort to attract potential investors in the alleged devices. As an investor myself, I would, at this point, not risk a single penny on anything being spoken of here.


ken

[ovyyus]

Ken, there will be no upcoming science fair presentation. Everything that ltseung888 has said and done is just so typical of run-of-the-mill fraud practice.

The reason the US science fair 'distraction' was chosen (with additional backup of the claimed 6 month operation requirement, just to make sure) is because 6 months is a comfortable time frame in which to scam potential investors before these rodents scurry back down their rat holes never to be seen again. Coming to this forum with this scam is just an attempt to gain wider credibility in order to maximise the size of their net in the shortest possible time.

I think everyone including yourself knows what's going on here - these people would dig their own grandmothers up if they thought there was a quid in it. IMO, the right thing to do now is to shift this whole thread into the fraud section and post a large scam warning on it for all to clearly see. It also sends the right message to other scammers. The alternative is to wait 6 months - as demanded by ltseung888 - after which time it won't matter to him because he and the money will have gone - poof!

[ltseung888]

Well I finally heard back from an engineer that works here in the states (most know who I am talking about ) He is Chinese from Hong Kong. Here is his e-mail and some things he told me personally from a phone conversation after his e-mail.

I am in Hong Kong. My phone number is 9281 9945. Please ask your Chinese friend or his relatives/friends/associates etc to call me.

I can arrange these Hong Kong contacts to see the Cosmic Energy Electricity Generators in person. They can take pictures of themselves in front of the fan powered by the Generators.

I now know that the dry run is not as successful as I expected. We shall do a much better preparation job before Oct. This is the last post I am going to make before the preparation is ready.

The future posts will be from your Chinese friends who actually touched the Generators.

[LustInBlack]

Oh well, all serious questions have been dodged in the "dry run" ..

Good Luck buddy.

[rlortie]

Why should they stand in front of a fan, we have all seen fans. Why can't they stand beside and not in front of the 188 horse power generator/motor With 188 horsepower I presume you must have a very large fan! Maybe you can sell it to drive a wind tunnel for testing of airplane designs.

I am glad to hear that you have made your last post, no reply will be anticipated, and I will not loose any sleep over not hearing from you.

Ralph

[ltseung888]

To rlortie,

I have to give you credit for quoting the Muller Pulse Motor. Now I thoroughly reviewed it and it indeed worked with some similarity to our 3rd generation Cosmic Energy Electricity Generators described below.

In the attached figure B4, there were 100 IC3001 arranged in a row. There were 800 IC3008 arranged in 8 equally spaced rows. In one revolution, each IC3001 would interact with 8 IC3008.

The interaction was repulsion to force the rotating inner cylinder to rotate in one direction. Both ICs were no pole initially. When one IC3008 just passed one IC3001, both became N poles to provide the magnetic repulsion. Then both became no poles again. The process would be repeated.

A separate starting motor was used to create an initial rotational speed of 2,000 rpm. Thus the total repulsion pulse force was 2,000/60 x 800 x F or 667,000F where F is repulsion force per IC pair interaction.

This repulsion energy Epulse would lead out or leetseung out Egravity that would be approximately 0.5 x Epulse. The total energy is 1.5 x Epulse. Then 1.0Epulse was fed back to repeat the process. 0.5Epulse was used to generate electricity and to overcome losses.

When there were no or lower electricity demands, some rows of IC3008 would function simply as no poles to reduce the pulse force.

The above is the magic behind our 3rd generation Cosmic Energy Cosmic Energy Generator.

The Muller Pulse Generator uses one magnet in the inner rotor and multiple pulsing magnets in the outer cylinder. Thus it works with the same principle. The efficiency, however, cannot possibly beat 667,000F!

The Joe Newman Machine also works. It is what we called the "double motor" or the "feedback" motor. We had a working prototype produced by Mr. Chan Won Quen 10 years ago. We had email exchanges and had reason to believe that the US patent office might be changing its mind in granting Mr. Newman his well-deserved patent.

Our 4th Cosmic Energy Electricity Generator has no physical motion. It uses the change in magnetic flux to provide the pulse force. US patent
6,362,718 granted to Patrick, et al. on March 26, 2002 and one of the Japanese patent pending prototypes are our known competitors.

Our 5th Cosmic Energy Electricity Generator is described in Figure B5 in FAQa4.DOC and will not be repeated here.

Our summary to the China patent office reads something like:

A vibrating, oscillating or rotating object can theoretically extract energy from energy fields such as gravity, magnetic or electric fields. It will require some type of pulse force to lead out such energy. The input energy is the sum of the pulses energy and the lead out energy. Our machine needs to supply only the pulse energy. The lead out energy is FREE from the energy fields. Changes in magnetic flux or changes in electricity field can be treated as vibration or oscillation in our invention.

[racer270]

I am in Hong Kong. My phone number is 9281 9945. Please ask to call me.

what is the area code in hong kong....? ill call you......
or you can call me at 867-5309 , ask for "jenny"......!

o.....
i was just on my way to hong kong, i will be there in a few days, i am attending a "horse-pucky " , convention.

can i come and see it for myself....?
what's the address....?


I can arrange these Hong Kong contacts to see the Cosmic Energy Electricity Generators in person. They can take pictures of themselves in front of the fan powered by the Generators.


grate....! ill bring my polaroid.....!!!

does the fan " blow hard....? 2

[ltseung888]

How to design a modern day Bessler Wheel

(1) Theoretical Guideline

Source of energy is gravitational. The best explanation is via the swing or the pendulum. The implementation will be a rotational device.

Our summary to the China patent office reads something like:

A vibrating, oscillating or rotating object can theoretically extract energy from energy fields such as gravity, magnetic or electric fields. It will require some type of pulse force to lead out such energy. The input energy is the sum of the pulse energy and the lead out energy. Our machine needs to supply only the pulse energy. The lead out energy is FREE from the energy fields. Changes in magnetic flux or changes in electricity field can be treated as vibration or oscillation in our invention.

(2) Construction Guidelines

(a) Use a Wheel type device. Since the maximum energy that can be extracted per revolution is 2MGR, use large radius R and heavy mass M at the rim. This is the basic construction of the Bessler Wheel. We used a long cylinder in our design.

(b) Choice of Pulse Force Mechanism. The modern technique is likely to use the Hall Effect IC. The size of such IC is small and hundreds or thousands can be used. In the Bessler times, a periodic mechanical force must be used. This periodic force could be applied at the rim or at the axle.

(c) Choice of Feedback Mechanism. The simple modern technique is to extract the energy from the central axle as electricity. Some of this electricity is fedback to power the IC in (b). In the Bessler times, if the pulse force were applied at the rim, the feedback mechanism would be at the axle or vice versa.

(d) Rotational speed. The simple modern technique is to use a separate starting motor to achieve the desired rotational speed. Afterwards, the starting motor can be disconnected. In the Bessler times, the most likely way is to hand start via gears. The rotational speed is important because it is related to how often the Pulse Force Mechanism can be applied.

(The best way for your group is to wait to buy our 5th generation Cosmic Energy Machine and think about designing a purely mechanical Bessler Wheel using 17 Century technology.)

I used some of your group's links to the many perpetual motion machines and realized that many such machines could work in principle. Once our above theory and the patents were granted, hundreds of rejected patents from USA might see light again. It would be fun.

[ken_behrendt]

Mr. Tseung...

You wrote with regard to building a "modern" version of Bessler's wheels:

(2) Construction Guidelines

(a) Use a Wheel type device. Since the maximum energy that can be extracted per revolution is 2MGR, use large radius R and heavy mass M at the rim. This is the basic construction of the Bessler Wheel. We used a long cylinder in our design.

(b) ... In the Bessler times, a periodic mechanical force must be used. This periodic force could be applied at the rim or at the axle.

(c) ... In the Bessler times, if the pulse force were applied at the rim, the feedback mechanism would be at the axle or vice versa.

(d) Rotational speed... The rotational speed is important because it is related to how often the Pulse Force Mechanism can be applied.

That's all a little vague. Can you post a simple diagram that would show how the weights are arranged in this modern version of Bessler's wheels that you are suggesting?


ken

[Vic Hays]

I will try to attach a word file with a simple drawing of Mr Tseung's principle. If Mr Tseung is right it should work on a simulation with low friction settings. In real life it would be too inefficient to work.