Vandusen Bessler wheel replication

[Michael]

Jim why don't you go and visit Darrel?

[LustInBlack]

Well I stated on the overunity forum that I could get to this guy house ..

I guess I'll stay home ....

[hartiberlin]

What was the filename of the video you have seen ?
I want to check, if you really have seen the same stuff.

Mov file size 12,525 KB, file name 000_0235
Mov file size 1,978 KB, file name 000_0059
Mov file size 796 KB, file name 000_0062_0001

I see, so you have not yet seen the selfstarting video:

100_1520.MOV
4,56 MB (4.784.645 Bytes)

and
000_0356.MOV
3,80 MB (3.994.543 Bytes)

[LustInBlack]

Someone should send all those videos somewhere .. . .

[jim_mich]

Everything you need to replicate it has been posted here before. Darrell posted them himself. Just use ramps to move weights in at bottom and then out at top, latching and unlatching as needed. The latch and a few other details have not been posted so I assume my NDA still applies to them.

The eight foot wheel (B&W picture) is the same six foot wheel but with the spokes cut and a pipe added to extend the spoke length. The extension might change the flexing of the spokes in some way.

[jim_mich]

Jim why don't you go and visit Darrel?

Why don't you visit him. Isn't he in your neck of the woods in Smith Falls just south of Ottawa?

[racer270]

he listed his address on the outher fourm as : ontario canada, the guy moves around, and around.......i wonder why....?

[hartiberlin]

Hi Jim,
you were right, I only had an occasional look into the Bessler forum
and did not see the fraud forum and did also not read it,
cause I was too busy with my own forum
www.overunity.com

Where did you post your wm2d file of the Vandusen wheel ?
I would like to play with it.
You probably forgot the pullout and pushin( lock and unlock system), which is
spring based to get into your calculations.
The springs store the energy and thus these movements are not lost inside the gravity field.
You can then use them to enlarge the torquearm at the right side
and lower the torquearm at the left side of the wheel.

Regards, Stefan.

[hartiberlin]

racer270,
you are accusing again
and I did not delete any of your post in my forum and
your email address I also removed again and you are still hiding behind your anonymity.
and I also will not delete any of your future
postings in my forum...,so if you think one posting is missing,
just repost it .I don´t want to be accussed as a censor.

I haven´t had visited the Besslerforum for quite some time in the past and was not aware
of the Fraud board there, but as I see it, only the other people put the Vandusen topic there
after Clarkie said, he had lost 10.000 US$ but seemed not to cry and he also never made the
whole sub-conditions public.

By the way, who is responsible to have put the Vandusen thread into the Fraud section ? What are your proofs ?
As Clarkie never told his whole story and did not
cry about his money and with this money the new 8 foot machine was actually built, why are the others shouting fraud ?

They were not involved and you never know, what Vandusen and
Clarkie made of a contract...



At least what he posted was the FACT, that Mr. Vandusen build from the money Clarkie ( Pete) gave him
the 8 foot machine !

So it seems this money was well spend and the 8 foot machine
looks quite nice.

The problem Darrell is still having is , that because of the length of the spokes and the
huge weights on them , they are a bit shaking, when going through the lock and
unlock mechanism and the wheel is thus is bit unstable,
which he wants to fix in the next days.

But he claims, that his 6 Foot machine is running and the videos
I have seen suggest that also !


Please let us concentrate now again on the technical side of things
over here again.
I hope Jim Mich can forward me the WM2D calculations he did on the Vandusen
wheel, so I can have a closer look at it.


Regards, Stefan.

[jim_mich]

Stefan, I only posted some pictures of the results of wm2d, not any wm2d files. I was only able to analyse a single spoke due to a slow computer. Because I'm on a slow dialup I'd find it difficult to locate them in the huge Bessler forum files.

You probably forgot the pullout and pushin( lock and unlock system), which is
spring based to get into your calculations.
The springs store the energy and thus these movements are not lost inside the gravity field.
You can then use them to enlarge the torquearm at the right side
and lower the torquearm at the left side of the wheel.

Sorry Stefan, I don't understand what your saying here.

[hartiberlin]

Hi Jim,
that is why I want to play with your WM2D file to add the important parts you have missed.
You can email the file directly to my email address at:
hartiberlin(at)gmx.de
Please replace the
(at) with the @ sign.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

[racer270]

racer270,
you are accusing again
and I did not delete any of your post in my forum and
your email address I also removed

1)well stefan ,
one of my posts was removed, and my e-mail was posted by you at your site, and again at the site.....!

again and you are still hiding behind your anonymity.

2) i am not hiding anything, if you wont any info about darrell i will give it to you....!


and I also will not delete any of your future
postings in my forum...,so if you think one posting is missing,
just repost it .I don´t want to be accussed as a censor.

3) i dont think i will be posting anything at your site abain...!
and who would i report the missing post, and my e-mail being posted too .... YOU....?

I haven´t had visited the Besslerforum for quite some time in the past and was not aware
of the Fraud board there, but as I see it, only the other people put the Vandusen topic there.

4)i belive only scott has the abilty to do this, but you should ask him derectly.

after Clarkie said, he had lost 10.000 US$ but seemed not to cry and he also never made the
whole sub-conditions public.

4) clarkie is a farly well to do gentleman, $10k dident hert him that much, he told me/us he had to buy his wife a diamond for his errors....


By the way, who is responsible to have put the Vandusen thread into the Fraud section ?

5) i dont know..... but i was for it.

What are your proofs ?

6)his pictures and his videos....! and his lies....!


As Clarkie never told his whole story and did not
cry about his money and with this money the new 8 foot machine was actually built, why are the others shouting fraud ?

7)clarkie thinks he is a low life, i could share my e-mails about it, but you should ask him yourself....e-mail him and ask pete about it derectly...ok.

They were not involved and you never know, what Vandusen and
Clarkie made of a contract...

8)ooo but we were....! and i do....know.



At least what he posted was the FACT, that Mr. Vandusen build from the money Clarkie ( Pete) gave him
the 8 foot machine !

9) the money it took too build it was not all that much $money , he spent most of the money on computer stuff and on himself...!



So it seems this money was well spend and the 8 foot machine
looks quite nice.

The problem Darrell is still having is , that because of the length of the spokes and the
huge weights on them , they are a bit shaking, when going through the lock and
unlock mechanism and the wheel is thus is bit unstable,
which he wants to fix in the next days.

stefan:
10) that is the same excuse he has used for the last year and a half.....!

But he claims, that his 6 Foot machine is running and the videos
I have seen suggest that also !


11)he has also clamed that it worked to lots of us right here...!
it does not...!
he sent me all the pictures you have, after i told him i had the abilty to do a "video analysis" with some expertise, he never sent me the video drectly,i got it from another member and did a frame by frame analysis.....look at the 60 cycle flicker from the tv.....!

Please let us concentrate now again on the technical side of things
over here again.


12) shure thing, i was just trying to keep you from being "suchered into his b.s.".....:)


I hope Jim Mich can forward me the WM2D calculations he did on the Vandusen
wheel, so I can have a closer look at it.

13) jim is a stand-up kind of guy,and you can trust him...!!

good luck...!

gordy


Regards, Stefan.

[hartiberlin]

Hi Gordy, yes, Darrell used a probably a chipcamcorder to film the machine
from his TV set, which he previously recorded onto VHS type.
That is where the flicker comes from.
What did you analyze further ?
Can you send a video where you think he recorded it backwards ?

But in my video I have, you can see him going by the machine ,
releasing it and it starts by itsself and begins to accelerate and you
can see it for about 60 degrees turn, so 2 reset-lock-unlock
conditions done and it accelereates !
ALso this is not filmed backwards, otherwise one would see him
go backwards, cause he is going around the machine .

I don´t know, what you have for a problem and if it is true,
that he asked you, how a movie can be faked and
you also have not seen the machine personally.

And I was never asked for money, only I offered help
to make this thing globally known, if it really works...

Darrell said, that he had some problems in communicating with you
and so he quit the conversation with you, so maybe you are just
frustrated, that you don´t get any updates anymore ?

Anyway, let us just stop the flamewar and have someone
visit Darrell and report first hand wittness of the wheel
over here... Is nobody living near Ontario from over here ?

Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

[LustInBlack]

I live near ontario, I emailed him already, got no reply yet . ..

I am not really afraid if he is a scam or not, since I've got nothing of interest for him; except maybe, I could convince people here that he has a real bessler wheel .. So we'll see what the result is ..

And I'm not going to offer him anything, a camera or a scanner ..
I don't understand how someone could fall into that trap and give money and material to a pure stranger.
Even if his construction is rotating by itself, it shouldn't be a problem for him to get the material by himself . . .. . .

[Michael]

Darrel's not in the back of my thoughts like you said he was for you. I am no where near Ottawa.