Vandusen Bessler wheel replication

[Michael]

Stefan,
To answer your question I became aware of Darrel a long time before he chose to come on this board from 2 other sources. One was asking for advice because he wanted to go and see him. The other provided details for me. It was obvious from reviewing the facts ( IMO ) that Darrel was scamming. I put out a warning here when Darrel showed up but only after I had heard privately from other members that he was contacting them and asking for money. Not everyone believed that Darrel was a scammer. Eventually a general concensus was reached that Darrel did in fact scam some people from their change.
As someone else just mentioned, a good rule of thumb is if someone says they have something working but are asking for money for a variety of reasons and never show you a working machine it's obvious somethings askew.

[ovyyus]

I see, so you have not yet seen the selfstarting video

Yes, I have the self-starting video where he walks up to the wheel, positions it, lets it go and it turns for less than 1/4 rotation. The full video is 000_0235.mov at 12,525 KB. You probably have a section of that.

Why does the wheel only turn about 1/4 rotation from that specific position? Because it is made top heavy in that specific position. Why doesn't Vandusen show at least one full rotation? Because the top heavy wheel will only accelerate for about 1/4 rotation from that specific position before it begins to slow and stop. Vandusen points to the fact that it makes 2 x 30 deg cycles knowing full well that that is only the case because he has made it top heavy in that position. Why? In order to create the impression that his wheel actually works when in fact it does not - so he can scam people for money.

[hartiberlin]

@ovyyus
in every still standing position of the wheel it has at the right side
more torque arm, than on the left side.
This is the principle of Darrell´s wheel.
Only at the lock and unlock positions the heavier right
side torque arm must overcome the friction to move the weights
in and out. But as the right side has 6 weights more outside
and the left side has always 6 weights more to the axis, this is not a big deal.
So as Darrell starts this thing up, he adjusts one weight at the top
and then it accelerated and runs 2 x 30 degrees.
But as his principle concept is "reseting" already after 30 degrees,
it would have come to a stillstand already after 30 degrees
already, not as you say so after 90 degrees.
As in my video it accelerated even after 60 degrees, I think
we have something very special here.

[ovyyus]

Stefan, Vandusen can only get his wheel to make 2 x 30 deg cycles from that specific position. What does that tell you.

I can't believe this simple trick has you fooled!

[racer270]

the video i saw was several terns,it did not have darrell in it.

i wish i still had it,it was a shot of a tv flickering with a 60 cycle per second interference it was about 10 seconds long.....!

the tape was running backwards because the wheel looked like it was picking up speed, what gave it away was the 60 cycle flickering was slowing down...!!!

i think he has several video.......the video was sent to me my a member that no longer visits bessler.com

i will ask him if he still has the video.....and i will post it some were if the guy still has it....
gordy

[hartiberlin]

Stefan, Vandusen can only get his wheel to make 2 x 30 deg cycles from that specific position. What does that tell you.

I can't believe this simple trick has you fooled!

Bill,
already a bit more than 30 degrees is enough to see, that
the principle is working, cause the principle is based on each 30 degrees "resetting".
As these videos were pretty blurry ( filmed from a TV screen)
I can not make sure, that Darrell might have added a hidden weight
somewhere, so it turns more than 30 degrees....
I am not actually saying, that he did it, just that the possibility
from these blurry videos could be a possibility.

But as I am still thinking, that the theory of the principle is
valid and that more positive torque is there to reset and
thus unbalance the wheel every 30 degrees, the concept makes much
sense to me and I wouldn´t not wonder, if his wheel is really running.


This is why I say, somebody must visit him and report personally
as a first hand eye wittness, all other things are only talk.

[ovyyus]

already a bit more than 30 degrees is enough to see, that the principle is working, cause the principle is based on each 30 degrees "resetting".

Stefan, sounds like the standard Vandusen BS sales pitch - he tried that one on me too.

Why can't Vandusen show video of his wheel accelerating for at least 1 full rotation? Because it doesn't work the way he claims it does - he has lied to you in order to scam money.

[hartiberlin]

Bill, again, he has not asked for money and for the
10.000 he got from Pete he has built the new 8 foot wheel
as I understand it.

[racer270]

pete is the only person to my knolage to ever go and try to see why darrell wheel was all about, does any one know of anyone else that has tryed to see it ....?

i do remember pete saying " darrell told him , it must be the cold temp." that is stopping it from working"

[Michael]

Hi Gordy,

The other person who went to try to see it is from Denver and is a member on this board.
Stefan, you say the principle is valid. Please explain what the principle is so I and others can check the physics.
Thanks,
Michael

[hartiberlin]

I see, so you have not yet seen the selfstarting video

Yes, I have the self-starting video where he walks up to the wheel, positions it, lets it go and it turns for less than 1/4 rotation. The full video is 000_0235.mov at 12,525 KB. You probably have a section of that.

Why does the wheel only turn about 1/4 rotation from that specific position? Because it is made top heavy in that specific position. Why doesn't Vandusen show at least one full rotation? Because the top heavy wheel will only accelerate for about 1/4 rotation from that specific position before it begins to slow and stop. Vandusen points to the fact that it makes 2 x 30 deg cycles knowing full well that that is only the case because he has made it top heavy in that position. Why? In order to create the impression that his wheel actually works when in fact it does not - so he can scam people for money.

Okay, I also got now this video.
Well, it is now totally clear what I am seeing.
Watch the weights and spoke´s ends !
The unlock system at 12 o ´clock is not working properly.
Thus in this video he first has to fix it at 2 o´clock, so that the wheel
can self starts. He must push it back to the right position.
That is at about 30 seconds in the videoclip and then the wheel
actually accelerates !
You see then, that the whole
torquearm of the right side is heavier than the whole left side !

Now then the wheels turns and accelerates and
just about before the end
at second 53 to 54 you see a weight again at around 1 to 3 pm
again not having resetted and ulocked and is not in the outer position,so at this position it is loosing the heavier torquearm,
cause the upper pushout mechanism has failed for this weight.

This is why it slows a bit down in this special video 54 second long video...

Now as I have seen this video this even tells me even more, that this
thing works !

[ovyyus]

Stefan, the machine is a scam - I wish it were otherwise.

[hartiberlin]

Stefan, you say the principle is valid. Please explain what the principle is so I and others can check the physics.
Thanks,
Michael

You always have 6 weights at the right side of the wheel 3 inches
more far away from the axis than on the left side.
That means enough torque to reset ( lock and unlock)
only 2 weights every 30 degrees by 1.5 inches.
And if you do it with springs you store the energy in one
place and get it for free in the other place so you have to spend
the energy to unlock and shift one weight at a time !

Hope this helps.

[jim_mich]

I feel that the principle is NOT valid. I ran computations calculating the torques required on the ramps and the torques due to out of balance and it all came out equal.

The dang wheel just coasts.

[jim_mich]

I retrieved my old (all 830) wm2d files from my old computer to my new one. Man is that old disc burner slow! I had this habit on the old computer of doing a 'save as' from time to time because it liked to crash on me.

I have 25 working model files named GEGSxxxx plus a few others and at this time I'm not sure which ones are good and which ones had some bugs or somthing wrong. I have one that shows the wheel slowly speeding up. I saved it including the data and it's a very big file. I had overlap error set to 0.005 inch and the latch has only 0.005 distance to latch in. This caused a Working Model problem where objects overlap too much then get rebounded or pushed apart harder than they should. Changing the overlap error value to .001 corrects the problem and the wheel doesn't speed up anymore.

The latching formula dimensions needed to be calculated VERY carefully. I had the bottom ramp working good but was struggling with the top ramp when I stopped working on it. I'll send it with the data stripped out. It will create the data when it first runs. There is a 7 second motor to start the wheel turning else it doesn't make it past the top ramp the first time.

Maybe I should describe how it is made because much is hidden under the yellow roller. I started with a rectangle for the spoke. I made it short. Then I placed the red rectangle weight on top and pinned them together with a slider. I put a 0.75 inch rope between the center of the weight and the center of the spoke. This allows the weight to slide a total of 1.50 inch. I then connected a separator from the weight to the end of the spoke. I added the yellow roller to the weight center. The separator formula tells the separator to be active when the roller is left of the bottom ramp or right of top ramp. I used a basic program to define the bottom ramp profile and a cad program to detemine top ramp.

I built one assembly in a first window then copied and pasted it to a second window, pinning it to the wheel then rotated the wheel. When you copy from one window to another the copy doesn't shift when you paste like it does when copy/pasting from/to a single window. Oh, I moved the weight in or out as needed before copy/paste.

After all was assembled I edited the formulas taking note of the roller number being different for each separator. I added the two middle ropes to measure the radial distance to the high point on the ramp as it need to be exact.

During acceleration WM gives an error message inconsistent retraints. If you continue it won't give another error message. This may be the cause of the wheel speeding up sometimes.

As can be seen the wheel just coasts once it is turning.


This is just one of about 25 WM2D GEGS files that I have.