Cosmic Energy Electricity Generators

[ken_behrendt]

Mr. Tseung...

What we are calling a "lever" here is simply the piece that goes between the pendulum weight and the pivot about which the weight swings.

What we want to SEE is a SKETCH that will show us how you intend to use the strain in that lever (or connecting rod or whatever you want to call it) to extract this "Cosmic" energy you keep talking about so as to add to the kinetic energy of the pendulum. What is the actual mechanism that you have that does this?


ken

[Michael]

I'm a little ticked off at myself for replying to this but this says it all.

The input energy is the sum of the pulse energy and the lead out energy. Our machine needs to supply only the pulse energy. The lead out energy is FREE from the energy fields. Changes in magnetic flux or changes in electricity field can be treated as vibration or oscillation in our invention.

So you say that the input energy is the sum of the pulse energy and lead out energy in one sentence, then turn around and say you only need to supply ( which is input ) the pulse energy. How much more of this goobaldy gook do you think we need to read before you've hypnotized us? Either your very stupid or you think everyone on this board is.

[Jon J Hutton]

Thanks Michael I always wondered how you spell

goobaldy gook

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Mr T.

The more I read the more I think you do not have a written, or designed a way, to feed back the potential energy from a swinging pendulum to increase its inertia.....You simply are using the theory with some vague algebra math equation (because you do not use newtons or another common measurement as concrete examples). This theory has lead you to your machines 2,3,4 and 5. What I think you are trying to do with us is move from a pendulum going thru a magnetic field receiving a kick from the energy created, to a rotating cylinder that is pulsed with a force to keep it rotating so we will be more excited, and start looking at investing, otherwise why treat us like school children and draw this out. Show us a drawing of the pendulum, I'm sure there is no patent on your pendulum idea.

JJH

[rlortie]

Jon,

pendulum going thru a magnetic field receiving a kick from the energy created

,

Moving a conductive pendulum through a magnetic field will not give it a kick. The pendulum does not even have to be of ferrous metal only conductive.

No kick here, you have a conducter cutting a field which produces electricity of the opposite polarity. Instead of a kick you get a retard. it is as I am sure your aware called Lenz law.

Ralph

[Jon J Hutton]

Ralph,

Thanks, and yep I am familiar, but just by reading about the Lenz Law...I have not really tried to build to many wheels with magnets. I thought I saw where Mr. T was talking about feeding back the energy in the form of a pulse to kick the pendulum...or something like that. I am just trying to get a more detailed response from him, but, probably in vain.

JJH

[LustInBlack]

Mr.T doesn't have a clue ...

He says that the mystery of Bessler wheel mecanism is completely solved.


Where does he show the mecanism !?

All I see here is a child being pushed by his mother on a swing.

[ltseung888]

When a 60Kg person sits on the stationary swing, there are two forces to consider - the Weight Mg (60Kg) and the Tension in the string T. T is equal to 60Kg at equilibrium.

When a 10kg horizontal force is applied (igore the pulse part for now - just assume a constant force) to the 60 kg person, there are three forces to consider - the Weight Mg (60kg), the Tension in the string T1 and the Horizontal Force F (10 Kg). These THREE forces will be at equilibrium and obey the Law of Parallelogram of Forces.

When you apply the Law of Parallelogram of Forces to these three forces, you get T1 = squart root of (Mg*Mg + F*F) or 60.82763Kg.

Thus T1 is definitely greater than T.

The Tension in the String T1 is responsible for lifting the 60Kg person.

Once you accept the above analysis, the rest is strictly mathematics.

(1) The angle a is given by tan(a) = 10/60 or 9.48degrees.
(2) The horizontal energy is F x Length x sin(a) =1.64703Length (in Newton-meters)
(3) The vertical energyis Mg x Length x (1-cos(a))=0.819411Length (in Newton-meters)

In other words 1.64703 units of supplied energy (horizontal)
Leads out or LeeTseung out
0.819411 units of FREE energy (vertical)

The coefficient of over unity (CO)
= total output energy / supplied energy
=(1.64703 + 0.819411)/1.64703
=1.497508
=1.5 approximately!

This is the magic of the pendulum system!

[Michael]

When a 60Kg person sits on the stationary swing, there are two forces to consider - the Weight Mg (60Kg) and the Tension in the string T. T is equal to 60Kg at equilibrium.

When a 60 KG person sits on a swing there are no forces to consider. Force equals the influence that causes a body to accelerate.

When a 10kg horizontal force is applied

Please explain a 10 kg force because I see more goobaldygook. You have the person sitting on the swing which weights 60 kgs. How much energy are you supplying to your push? 10 kgs means nothing. Do you mean a consistent 10 kg, do you mean a brief 10 kg? Why don't you just make it easy and tell us how far the 60 kg body will rise vertically.

(igore the pulse part for now - just assume a constant force) to the 60 kg person, there are three forces to consider - the Weight Mg (60kg), the Tension in the string T1 and the Horizontal Force F (10 Kg). These THREE forces will be at equilibrium and obey the Law of Parallelogram of Forces.

Okay so now you are going to supply a consistent force. That means, no matter how you do it in the end the amount of energy supplied it going to equal the amount of potential energy you'll have given to the raised body, measurable by how far it's raised up in the gravity field.

When you apply the Law of Parallelogram of Forces to these three forces, you get T1 = squart root of (Mg*Mg + F*F) or 60.82763Kg.

Thus T1 is definitely greater than T.

There are not three forces. There is one working force, that which is being supplied by you which is causing the body to accelerate. There is also centripedal force, which is only causing the body to change angles/vectors. It is not adding to the original force you are supplying at all!

The Tension in the String T1 is responsible for lifting the 60Kg person.

No, the tension in the string is responsible for causing the body to change vectors. The energy you are supplying is responsible for raising the body.

(1) The angle a is given by tan(a) = 10/60 or 9.48degrees.

Hey, you got one right.

(2) The horizontal energy is F x Length x sin(a) =1.64703Length (in Newton-meters)

This is not energy. Energy is a calculation based on mass and velocity. Where's your velocity?

[ltseung888]

LustInBlack

All I see here is a child being pushed by his mother on a swing.

We discussed this in Hong Kong. This indeed is the best picture.

We are all seeking the so called Over Unity Machine.

Look no further.

Go to the park and watch the child being pushed by his monther on a swing.

Lee Cheung Kin was labelled the Number One Genius in the World because he could deduce the theory and the design of the Cosmic Energy Electricity Generator from this observation.

Is it comparable to Newton seeing the drop of the apple?

[LustInBlack]

Tseung, I can't help but be a bit frustated against you ...

Yes indeed, this image of the child being push by the mother looks like a tiny push will buildup in the system, but correct me if I am wrong somebody, the same thing happen in an electrical motor when it is coasting along ..

Let me explain, it need not much energy to keep it rotating at it's "idle" velocity .. It however need that push that keeps it running at that speed.
That push is the switching of the coils and the pulse to those coils at the right moment...

According to what you say, this electrical motor should be making Free Energy. So someone could plug a generator to the end of the shaft and plug it to the electrical motor to keep it running forever .

However, that is not the case, this will not work.
I don't see the difference in what you are explaining ..
The only variable you seem to provide, is the pulse timing, nothing else!

Accordingly, this same electrical motor, by modifying the timing, should now be producing free energy .

I repeat again since this seem to be the trend of this thread :
You say the mystery of the bessler's mechanism is completely solved.
Well, SHOW US the mechanism ! Stop bullshitting.

I forsee the answer to this... Don't answer to look your faqs.
Don't provide a useless block diagram ..

Answer the simple question.
Answer Michael questions and comments.

Anyways, I give up, if you do not provide a valid answer I will stop wasting my time ...

[rlortie]

LIB,

Let me make this perfectly clear so as not to agitate anyone.

It is my opinion and experience that any device requiring EMF such as a pulse coil will fail. To push an electron along or through a conductor creates resistance which in turn creates heat. Therefore there is no free lunch.

The only exception would be to build it out of super conductive material with no resistance, or dump the whole device into a tank of liquid nitrogen.

To build a magnetic motor it must be of magnets without coils condensers IC chips or power transistors. All conductive materials should be omitted in the total design.

[Michael]

I've received a private message from itseuing888. I've told him to keep his messages public. Here is his post to me and my reply.

To Michael,

Thank you for the detailed post. It helped to pinpoint some of the misconceptions. Let me explain it point by point. You can decide whether to post it publicly.

Quote:
When a 60Kg person sits on the stationary swing, there are two forces to consider - the Weight Mg (60Kg) and the Tension in the string T. T is equal to 60Kg at equilibrium.
When a 60 KG person sits on a swing there are no forces to consider. Force equals the influence that causes a body to accelerate.


*** When you see no motion, either there is no force or there are forces at equilibrium. For example, if there is a 10 unit Force pushing an object to the right and there is also a 10 unit Force pushing the same object to the left, the object will not move. In this case the Weight Mg is at equilibrium with the Tension T.

Quote:
When a 10kg horizontal force is applied
Okay so now you are going to supply a consistent force. “That means, no matter how you do it in the end the amount of energy supplied it going to equal the amount of potential energy you'll have given to the raised body, measurable by how far it's raised up in the gravity field.”


*** The underline statement is not correct. The 10Kg horizontal force will displace the swing from its upright position until the horizontal component from the Tension of the string exactly balances it. The energy supplied by this 10kg horizontal force is equal to
= Horizontal Force x Horizontal Displacement
= 10Kg x Length x sin(a)

Quote:
When you apply the Law of Parallelogram of Forces to these three forces, you get T1 = squart root of (Mg*Mg + F*F) or 60.82763Kg. Thus T1 is definitely greater than T.
There are not three forces. There is one working force, that which is being supplied by you which is causing the body to accelerate. There is also centripetal force, which is only causing the body to change angles/vectors. It is not adding to the original force you are supplying at all!


*** There are 3 forces at equilibrium. I am taking the case of the mother pushing the swing the first time just before letting go. The horizontal force was 10Kg and the swing was moved to an angle of 9.8 degrees. The vertical force was 60Kg (weight) and the Tension of the string was 60. 82763Kg.

Quote:
The Tension in the String T1 is responsible for lifting the 60Kg person.
No, the tension in the string is responsible for causing the body to change vectors. The energy you are supplying is responsible for raising the body.


*** You probably forgot that Energy or Work Done = Force x Displacement. There is an upward force due to the vertical component of the Tension of the String. There is also a Vertical Displacement. The product of these two terms is equal to the work done or energy supplied from the Tension of the String.

Quote:
(1) The angle a is given by tan(a) = 10/60 or 9.48degrees.
Hey, you got one right. Quote:
(2) The horizontal energy is F x Length x sin(a) =1.64703Length (in Newton-meters)
This is not energy. Energy is a calculation based on mass and velocity. Where's your velocity?


*** You probably forgot that Energy or Work Done = Force x Displacement. Before the mother let goes her hand, there is no velocity.





Quote:
When a 10kg horizontal force is applied
Okay so now you are going to supply a consistent force. “That means, no matter how you do it in the end the amount of energy supplied it going to equal the amount of potential energy you'll have given to the raised body, measurable by how far it's raised up in the gravity field.”


*** The underline statement is not correct.

The underlined statement is absolutely correct! You fill up entire pages with half truths and partial information, and please keep your postings public. You talk of a 10 kg horizontal force. This is absolutely meaningless in the way you put it. You talk of the tension of the string eventually balancing the horizontal force. BULLSHIT! What balances the force being supplied is an equal and opposite force, namely the fact that the load of the weight being raised becomes as much as the input force. The actual load has nothing to do with the tension of the string. It has to do with the weight against gravity. The string is only acting as a lever. Your either a con artist or you are completely ignorant. Either way you are a waste of time. Keep your posts public please and if I want to respond I will there at that time.

*** You probably forgot that Energy or Work Done = Force x Displacement.

You obviously forget to add resistance in your statements, which in this case is gravity.

[cw]

ltseung888,

Maybe I can help you out with getting everybody to understand how your machine works. From one of your earlier posts:

(The best way for your group is to wait to buy our 5th generation Cosmic Energy Machine and think about designing a purely mechanical Bessler Wheel using 17 Century technology....)

There ya' go. Simple, concise and directly to the point. Just part with your money sometime in the near future and ponder Bessler's wheel. Does everybody understand now?

[Vic Hays]

IN the meantime the Russians have a machine claimed to produce an excess 7kw and anti-gravity from gravity and rotating magnetic fields.

http://searleffect.com/free/russianseg/ ... ianseg.pdf

[rlortie]

ltseung888 wrote:

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The best way for your group is to wait to buy our 5th generation Cosmic Energy Machine and think about designing a purely mechanical Bessler Wheel using 17 Century technology....)

Ahw! come on, give us a break, Bessler did not achieve it until the 18th Century. Why should we have to back even farther. At least Bessler had the knowlege of the steam engine principles to work with.

Ralph