PM has no Equal in Nature!

[Dave Chippy]

ken

Maybe bessler was visited in 1700s by an advanced race and he did procure the answer and decided that we were not advanced enough to receive it.

[ken_behrendt]

Dave...

Whenever I hear of people having "visions" or "dreams" which impart advanced knowledge to them or inspire them, then I get a bit suspicious as to what the real origin of that episode may have been!

In the occult literature there are notable instances of famous people being visited by strangers or having "visions" that altered the course of human history. One case in point was a bizarre experience had by General George Washington which can be found in my website article titled "Decoding the Great Seal of the United States". It's a real eye-opening article.

I think I also remember reading the case of Paracelsus who claimed that one night he was visited by two strangers wearing dark hoods. They got into a discussion with him during which they told him that where they came from there was a debate as to how all of creation came to be. They claimed that some of their philosophers said that the Cosmos was created during a single Big Bang type explosion and eventually cooled to form our present observable universe. While others suggested that the Cosmos, from instant to instant, disappeared and then reappeared again. These types of concepts were actually centuries ahead of their times.

The two beings also, supposedly, got into a discussion with Paracelsus about the nature of human life and death. According his visitors, there was nothing particular to a human that survived after death. In other words, they claimed that human beings did not have souls and that there was no afterlife. These are rather disturbing, if true, revelations for the religious...


ken

[Sevich]

good day all,

Been thinking about this thread and wished to put in my few buck's worth.

Listing a few natural and man made examples of the following:



a) The earth can be construed as a form of perpetual motion simply because of the heat from it's interior and especially it's core. The earth is billions of years old and the core is still hot. Seems it might take another 2-3 billion years to cool down?

If you cut up the earth in trillions of inch size pieces and lay them out 10 inch's apart, then it would take a matter of hours or less to cool down (freeze).

b) When the hoover dam was built. It was said, if all the concrete was poured all at once, It would over heat and crack the wall as well as taking 200 years to cool down.

c) A rock or iron sphere drifting in outer space has virtually no gravity. But if you put them together in the trillions of trillions, then you would have created gravity (maybe even a planet)?

d) If a group of people (2+) are feeling cold. The best solution is to stay closely snuggled up.

I'm sure most people here can give a lot more examples. But the "UNITY IS STRENGTH" slogan can never be more truer.


The fine print reads that perpetual motion, free electricity (mechanical/ electronical) :) CAN be made to function!

[ovyyus]

Anton, all on your list are examples of conservation of energy.

[Sevich]

Bill...

OK then......when it rains on a large flat surface area, it has no advantage's for people. But when it rains in an area of a catchment near a dam then we can make energy of the together-ness of the water as opposed to it being scattered.

Water evaporates much more quicker where there is less than where there is more!

This rain-dam thing is a constant cycle..........the rain is made perpetual by nature and the dam was built to tap into this potential.


anton

[ovyyus]

Anton, the work done to lift all that water into the sky, so that it can fall as rain to fill your dam and do some work, has an obvious source - our Sun. The "rain-dam thing" isn't perpetual, just as the Sun isn't perpetual. Granted, the bigger the flywheel and the smaller the losses, the longer will it spin - but that's not what we're looking for.

So, just one example in Nature where G is non-conservative... anyone?

[racer270]

how about geothermal gysers like old faithful..........?

[ovyyus]

Gordy, what energy source drives Old Faithful?

[Sevich]

Bill, I don't wanna get caught up splitting haires over the sun whether it's perpetual or the water rising and comming down as rain and so forth.....

I wish the meaning of perpetual was something that lasts a very long time! (with a limit) cause we can't use the word in gravity wheels without some flack.

My main point I was bringing up was that I feel strongly about the "force of groups" or you can call it "Ken's Bundled Law" or even after your own name if you truly wish ?

If you're looking for true perpetual, then may I suggest the cosmos, cause in astronomy you will see that before the so-called big bang there was something else there. Where does the cosmos end? You can't have a big bang without there being something before that event and before that and before that and...........


anton

[ovyyus]

Yes Anton, I understand your 'perpetual infinite cosmos' point. However, processes that harness existent natural energy resources such as cosmic or planetary motion, tidal, wind, geothermal, hydrocarbons, sun light and heat, radioactive decay, chemical, etc, etc, are all observed to be wholly conservative.

Not one example of excess energy creation from G is observed in Nature. Why?

[Sevich]

Bill...

Not one example of excess energy creation

http://www.rexresearch.com/grebenn/grebenn.htm


anton

[Wheeler]

Excuse my intrusion,but without sounding like I know what I am talking about, (and we all have established this already) I want you say that two examples of the use of g are within the last two posts.
The symbol for man as receiver of g and the symbol of a planet. Both use the energy of g.
So there!:)

[ovyyus]

Anton, I think Jerry Decker is a good source for information on the so-called Grebennikov Cavity Structure Effect http://www.keelynet.com/greb/greb.htm

Jerry collected info through direct contact with the alleged Russian author's family. I remember speaking with Jerry about it a few years back when it was a hot topic and he was certainly fascinated and hopeful that something would come of it. Nothing has so far.

IMO, the odd source of the information combined with no physical corroborating evidence suggests the story has trouble being credible before being an example of anything.

You obviously also have trouble offering just one example of excess energy creation from G observed in Nature if Grebennikov is your last stand <g> Sorry mate, don't mean to be rude - I can't think of one example either. What does it mean?


Wheeler, I'm straining here... nope... it won't come... I have no idea what you're talking about... again! Got the first bit, though - lol

[Sevich]

Come on Bill!!

Don't do a James Randi on us so quick mate!

If you choose to put "Grebennikov" aside, then thats fine with me!

I'll prove (try) that you and coylo are just plain wrong!

I'll do some in depth research and get back to you on that, OK ..........don't call me! ...I'll call you! :)


PS....wheeler, I agree that the earth and man is a glorious end result of the power of "G" (GOD) .............don't be so ashamed Bill, we'll get you converted soon enough mate! ...maybe even as an altar boy ;) ...lol


anton

[ovyyus]

Anton, since when is asking hard questions called a "James Randi"? If you're intolerant of certain questions then why involve yourself in the debate?

PS....wheeler, I agree that the earth and man is a glorious end result of the power of "G" (GOD) .............don't be so ashamed Bill, we'll get you converted soon enough mate! ...maybe even reward you as an altar boy ;) ...lol

I find your comments vaguely insulting - was that your intent? I've heard what can happen to altar boys at the hands of godly men :o I definitely won't be calling - LOL