Osama's Message to America!
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It might even explain why some of us sit where we sit... and maybe we can change our seats.
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Hi all..
Many many years ago when I used to build and fly radio control flying models. I was very proud to have the Israeli insignia displayed on the tail of my camouflaged chinook helicopter....................Now I'm not so sure!?
I can see clearly now. It seems that Hitler was indirectly responsible for the 1948 creation of the state of Israel. If we had no holocaust, then we would have no Isreal today! Before the holocaust the Jews were happy where they were scattered all over the world. Most were expelled by the Romans (excluding the other peoples) in around 75AD, others left by their own free will and very few Jews remained in the Roman provence of Palestine at that time.
Israel's behavior in the last week, and especially it's ocupation and oppression, can be plainly seen as nothing short of bordering on war crimes. This behaviour is totally unacceptable, uncivilised and illegal from a country that prides itself as a so-called civilised western democracy.
In the Bible (old testament) the jews themselvs were made into slaves and were oppressed by the pharoh's. It seems now the pharoh's of old have returned with new vigor in the name of Isreal.
Who are the slaves now ? does there need to be a simillar exudus of the Palestinian people ? or maybe the exudus has already started with the Lebanese people ?
An old story in the Bible of the forgiving King who forgave the debts of a slave who owed him money. That same slave went out to see his fellow friend and have him pay back the little money that he owed. When the friend could'nt pay it back the slave had him put in prison. When the King heard what had happened, he flew into a rage and had him (slave) thrown into prison for not setting the same example and forgive the debt, just as he had done.
The Jew's of old knew very well what it was like to be under strict Roman occupation! ...............where is the humanity now ?
Seems the oppressed have become the oppressor!
The United states in it's collusion has possibly sown it's own seed of destruction in the near future. Not just/nessasaraly relating to this?
Many many years ago when I used to build and fly radio control flying models. I was very proud to have the Israeli insignia displayed on the tail of my camouflaged chinook helicopter....................Now I'm not so sure!?
I can see clearly now. It seems that Hitler was indirectly responsible for the 1948 creation of the state of Israel. If we had no holocaust, then we would have no Isreal today! Before the holocaust the Jews were happy where they were scattered all over the world. Most were expelled by the Romans (excluding the other peoples) in around 75AD, others left by their own free will and very few Jews remained in the Roman provence of Palestine at that time.
Israel's behavior in the last week, and especially it's ocupation and oppression, can be plainly seen as nothing short of bordering on war crimes. This behaviour is totally unacceptable, uncivilised and illegal from a country that prides itself as a so-called civilised western democracy.
In the Bible (old testament) the jews themselvs were made into slaves and were oppressed by the pharoh's. It seems now the pharoh's of old have returned with new vigor in the name of Isreal.
Who are the slaves now ? does there need to be a simillar exudus of the Palestinian people ? or maybe the exudus has already started with the Lebanese people ?
An old story in the Bible of the forgiving King who forgave the debts of a slave who owed him money. That same slave went out to see his fellow friend and have him pay back the little money that he owed. When the friend could'nt pay it back the slave had him put in prison. When the King heard what had happened, he flew into a rage and had him (slave) thrown into prison for not setting the same example and forgive the debt, just as he had done.
The Jew's of old knew very well what it was like to be under strict Roman occupation! ...............where is the humanity now ?
Seems the oppressed have become the oppressor!
The United states in it's collusion has possibly sown it's own seed of destruction in the near future. Not just/nessasaraly relating to this?
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One can endlessly debate who is in the "right" over in the Holy Lands and who is to blame. Was it Isaac or Ismael that Abraham took the top of Mt. Moriah when God made a Covenant for the child's people to possess these lands? Are the Romans responsible? The Roman Catholic Church? The Third Reich? The British? The Israeli's? The Arabs? Etc.,etc.,etc.
The bottom line of all of this is that there are now about 6.3 million Jews who want to live peacefully and prosperously in their self-declared state of Israel and there are about 1.5 million Arab in the Palestinian territories that can not stand this idea.
Well, the world, in the form of the United Nations, has, more or less, decided that the Israeli's do have a right to live were they are and it does not seem like that opinion is going to be changing any time soon. And, despite Israel's violation of some UN Resolutions along the way in the name of self-defense, I suspect that the world is determined to maintain this status quo ad infinitum.
If I was asked by the leaders in the Palestinian territories what they should do, my advice would be this:
a.) Immediately announce the acceptance of the State of Israel to exist and its right to be free of terrorist attacks.
b.) Outlaw the continued existence of anti-Israeli militants and begin to arrest any of them that continue to engage in violent terrorist acts against Israeli citizens.
c.) Declare their own Palestinian statehood and begin to work with the Israeli's to build up their territories and trade with the Israeli's.
I think in the long run it will come down to this anyway. The sooner it does, the more innocent lives, on both sides, that will be spared...
ken
The bottom line of all of this is that there are now about 6.3 million Jews who want to live peacefully and prosperously in their self-declared state of Israel and there are about 1.5 million Arab in the Palestinian territories that can not stand this idea.
Well, the world, in the form of the United Nations, has, more or less, decided that the Israeli's do have a right to live were they are and it does not seem like that opinion is going to be changing any time soon. And, despite Israel's violation of some UN Resolutions along the way in the name of self-defense, I suspect that the world is determined to maintain this status quo ad infinitum.
If I was asked by the leaders in the Palestinian territories what they should do, my advice would be this:
a.) Immediately announce the acceptance of the State of Israel to exist and its right to be free of terrorist attacks.
b.) Outlaw the continued existence of anti-Israeli militants and begin to arrest any of them that continue to engage in violent terrorist acts against Israeli citizens.
c.) Declare their own Palestinian statehood and begin to work with the Israeli's to build up their territories and trade with the Israeli's.
I think in the long run it will come down to this anyway. The sooner it does, the more innocent lives, on both sides, that will be spared...
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
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Ken,
There is no real debate about who Abraham was tested to sacrafice. Although many Islamic scholars say it was Ishmael, there are some who say it was Isaac. The point of the story is not who the kid was, but Abraham's test. This is the lesson that is forgotten, and making the kid an issue is a red-herring.
If you accept the UN as the authority, then you have to ask what value do "settlements" of Israeli citizens have to do with defense. That makes no sense. Misappropriate land for security and move the citizens on it. okay... I understand where you sit then.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... ory=699486
I think in the long run Israel will calapse in on itself. I hope America doesn't loose more credibility in the world!
-Randall
There is no real debate about who Abraham was tested to sacrafice. Although many Islamic scholars say it was Ishmael, there are some who say it was Isaac. The point of the story is not who the kid was, but Abraham's test. This is the lesson that is forgotten, and making the kid an issue is a red-herring.
The bottom line is then not justice.... it's "might makes right" and head count on the land? What about the displaced Palestinians around the world? Oh we don't count those, right?The bottom line of all of this is that there are now about 6.3 million Jews who want to live peacefully and prosperously in their self-declared state of Israel and there are about 1.5 million Arab in the Palestinian territories that can not stand this idea.
If you accept the UN as the authority, then you have to ask what value do "settlements" of Israeli citizens have to do with defense. That makes no sense. Misappropriate land for security and move the citizens on it. okay... I understand where you sit then.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... ory=699486
I think in the long run Israel will calapse in on itself. I hope America doesn't loose more credibility in the world!
-Randall
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Randall wrote:
Now, however, I do not think the Israeli's want this and the settlements are, slowly, being dismanted as we saw recently in Gaza. Eventually, there will be no settlements in any of the Palestinian territories.
The most important thing that the Palestinians can do at this point is to make sure the attacks against Israel stop completely. If that can be done, then Israel will stop feeling threatened and would be far more willing to make a mutually acceptable resolution with the Palestinians that would give them their own state with which Israel would work to strengthen in the future.
This whole issue is really in the hands of the Palestinians...
ken
I agree that the Israeli's placing settlements in the captured territory they acquired during the 1967 war was a mistake. It gave the Palestinians the impression that Israel intended to, eventually, take all of their land and push them out as the ancient kingdom of Israel was re-established.If you accept the UN as the authority, then you have to ask what value do "settlements" of Israeli citizens have to do with defense. That makes no sense. Misappropriate land for security and move the citizens on it. okay... I understand where you sit then.
Now, however, I do not think the Israeli's want this and the settlements are, slowly, being dismanted as we saw recently in Gaza. Eventually, there will be no settlements in any of the Palestinian territories.
The most important thing that the Palestinians can do at this point is to make sure the attacks against Israel stop completely. If that can be done, then Israel will stop feeling threatened and would be far more willing to make a mutually acceptable resolution with the Palestinians that would give them their own state with which Israel would work to strengthen in the future.
This whole issue is really in the hands of the Palestinians...
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
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... so, if the Palestinians acquiesce then Israel will stop bombing the Lebanese? Makes a lot of sense.
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James Kelly sent me the following, with a note that he wished more would read it. So here it is.
Subject: A GERMAN EDITORIAL
If any of you still feel that this war on terror is a mistake, here is an opinion from an unexpected source. It's fascinating that this should come out of Europe. Mathias Dapfner, Chief Executive of the huge German publisher Axel Springer AG, has written a blistering attack in DIE WELT, Germany's largest daily paper, against the timid reaction of Europe in the face of the Islamic threat.
This is a must-read by all Americans. History may well certify its correctness.
EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE
(Commentary by Mathias Dapfner CEO, Axel Springer, AG)
A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in Welt am Sonntag, "Europe - your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you can't get out of your head because it's so terribly true.
Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives, as England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be fought, not bound to toothless agreements.
Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet Union, then East Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe, where for decades, inhuman suppressive, murderous governments were glorified as the ideologically correct alternative to all other possibilities.
Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in Kosovo, and even though we had absolute proof of ongoing mass-murder, we Europeans debated and debated and debated, and were still debating when finally the Americans had to come from halfway around the world, into Europe yet again, and do our work for us.
Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European Appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word "equidistance," now countenances suicide bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians.
Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore nearly 500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by the self-righteousness of the peace movement, has the gall to issue bad grades to George Bush... Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics of the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of billions, in the corrupt U.N. Oil-for-Food program.
And now we are faced with a particularly grotesque form of appeasement. How is Germany reacting to the escalating violence by Islamic Fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere? By suggesting that we really should have a "Muslim Holiday" in Germany?
I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of our (German) Government, and if the polls are to be believed, the German people, actually believe that creating an Official State "Muslim Holiday" will somehow spare us from the wrath of the fanatical Islamists. One cannot help but recall Britain's Neville Chamberlain waving the laughable treaty signed by Adolph Hitler and declaring European "Peace in our time".
What else has to happen before the European public and its political leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians, directed against our free, open Western societies, and intent upon Western Civilization's utter destruction.
It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of the great military conflicts of the last century - a conflict conducted by an enemy that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and "accommodation" but is actually spurred on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will always be taken by the Islamists for signs of weakness. Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for Anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush.
His American critics may quibble over the details, but we Europeans know the truth. We saw it first hand: Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German people from nearly 50 years of terror and virtual slavery. And Bush, supported only by the Social Democrat Blair, acting on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic War against Democracy. His place in history will have to be evaluated after a number of years have passed.
In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic self-confidence in the multicultural corner, instead of defending liberal society's values and being an attractive center of power on the same playing field as the true great powers, America and China.
On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast to those "arrogant Americans", as the World Champions of "tolerance", which even (Germany's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes. Why? Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so materialistic, so devoid of a moral compass.
For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge amounts of additional national debt, and a massive and persistent burden on the American economy - because unlike almost all of Europe, Bush realizes what is at stake - literally everything.
While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America because they seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social Welfare systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive! We'd rather discuss reducing our 35-hour workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4 weeks of paid vacation... Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need to "reach out to terrorists. To understand and forgive".
These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking hands, frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she notices a robber breaking into a neighbor's house.
Appeasement?
Europe, thy name is Cowardice.
---God Bless America---
Subject: A GERMAN EDITORIAL
If any of you still feel that this war on terror is a mistake, here is an opinion from an unexpected source. It's fascinating that this should come out of Europe. Mathias Dapfner, Chief Executive of the huge German publisher Axel Springer AG, has written a blistering attack in DIE WELT, Germany's largest daily paper, against the timid reaction of Europe in the face of the Islamic threat.
This is a must-read by all Americans. History may well certify its correctness.
EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE
(Commentary by Mathias Dapfner CEO, Axel Springer, AG)
A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in Welt am Sonntag, "Europe - your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you can't get out of your head because it's so terribly true.
Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives, as England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be fought, not bound to toothless agreements.
Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet Union, then East Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe, where for decades, inhuman suppressive, murderous governments were glorified as the ideologically correct alternative to all other possibilities.
Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in Kosovo, and even though we had absolute proof of ongoing mass-murder, we Europeans debated and debated and debated, and were still debating when finally the Americans had to come from halfway around the world, into Europe yet again, and do our work for us.
Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European Appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word "equidistance," now countenances suicide bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians.
Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore nearly 500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by the self-righteousness of the peace movement, has the gall to issue bad grades to George Bush... Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics of the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of billions, in the corrupt U.N. Oil-for-Food program.
And now we are faced with a particularly grotesque form of appeasement. How is Germany reacting to the escalating violence by Islamic Fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere? By suggesting that we really should have a "Muslim Holiday" in Germany?
I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of our (German) Government, and if the polls are to be believed, the German people, actually believe that creating an Official State "Muslim Holiday" will somehow spare us from the wrath of the fanatical Islamists. One cannot help but recall Britain's Neville Chamberlain waving the laughable treaty signed by Adolph Hitler and declaring European "Peace in our time".
What else has to happen before the European public and its political leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians, directed against our free, open Western societies, and intent upon Western Civilization's utter destruction.
It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of the great military conflicts of the last century - a conflict conducted by an enemy that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and "accommodation" but is actually spurred on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will always be taken by the Islamists for signs of weakness. Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for Anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush.
His American critics may quibble over the details, but we Europeans know the truth. We saw it first hand: Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German people from nearly 50 years of terror and virtual slavery. And Bush, supported only by the Social Democrat Blair, acting on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic War against Democracy. His place in history will have to be evaluated after a number of years have passed.
In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic self-confidence in the multicultural corner, instead of defending liberal society's values and being an attractive center of power on the same playing field as the true great powers, America and China.
On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast to those "arrogant Americans", as the World Champions of "tolerance", which even (Germany's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes. Why? Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so materialistic, so devoid of a moral compass.
For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge amounts of additional national debt, and a massive and persistent burden on the American economy - because unlike almost all of Europe, Bush realizes what is at stake - literally everything.
While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America because they seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social Welfare systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive! We'd rather discuss reducing our 35-hour workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4 weeks of paid vacation... Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need to "reach out to terrorists. To understand and forgive".
These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking hands, frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she notices a robber breaking into a neighbor's house.
Appeasement?
Europe, thy name is Cowardice.
---God Bless America---
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I didn't see my reply show up on the board, so here's another try (albeit shorter)
Ken, learn more before you write about this stuff. Still no comment on the picture of Israeli children signing bombs for Lebanon? Thanks for the converstaion, it was interesting while it lasted.
rlotie, there are many very good well-reasoned replies to the Mathias Dapfner article if you simply google his name.
Lastly....
God bless America? You better believe it, baby! I love my country. I just wish we would get an extreme foreign policy makeover! And I can't tell you how many Muslims appreciate America because they can practice their Islam freely where some supposedly "Islamic" countries, there are limitations (like banning women from covering their hair even if it is their choice to do so)! So hats off to America, land that I love!
An Isrish-Norwegian-German-English-Northern European descendant American Muslim,
-Randall
Ps. Islam isn't a threat. Extremists of ANY religion are a threat!!!
Ken, learn more before you write about this stuff. Still no comment on the picture of Israeli children signing bombs for Lebanon? Thanks for the converstaion, it was interesting while it lasted.
rlotie, there are many very good well-reasoned replies to the Mathias Dapfner article if you simply google his name.
Lastly....
God bless America? You better believe it, baby! I love my country. I just wish we would get an extreme foreign policy makeover! And I can't tell you how many Muslims appreciate America because they can practice their Islam freely where some supposedly "Islamic" countries, there are limitations (like banning women from covering their hair even if it is their choice to do so)! So hats off to America, land that I love!
An Isrish-Norwegian-German-English-Northern European descendant American Muslim,
-Randall
Ps. Islam isn't a threat. Extremists of ANY religion are a threat!!!
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Randall....
This is so typical of the "diggers"...those who just want to point to something in hopes it elevates their position. Not picking on you, Randall....the other side does it too. It is a war for crying out loud...it has been a war for over 50 years. The problem is, most of us don't want to admit it....and move on to the next step. That step is now "put up, or shut up!"
It's almost as if we want to take this to a "trial" of some sort, when we all know that after 50+ years, it's not gonna happen. There will have to be a clear cut victory to decide the fate of this area...and even then it will last but just a while.
It sure would be nice to hear, I mean really hear...more of the Islamic faith to stand up and publicly denounce the fanaticism that has taken over their religeon. Especially in the mid east...of course they will fear for their lives...which is why most of them don't.
Steve
So what? Isreali children signing bombs that will be devasting an enemy...so what? The realities of war are obviously a problem for you personally, in these respects. Remember, "...if you look for something hard enough, you'll find it..."Still no comment on the picture of Israeli children signing bombs for Lebanon? Thanks for the converstaion, it was interesting while it lasted.
This is so typical of the "diggers"...those who just want to point to something in hopes it elevates their position. Not picking on you, Randall....the other side does it too. It is a war for crying out loud...it has been a war for over 50 years. The problem is, most of us don't want to admit it....and move on to the next step. That step is now "put up, or shut up!"
It's almost as if we want to take this to a "trial" of some sort, when we all know that after 50+ years, it's not gonna happen. There will have to be a clear cut victory to decide the fate of this area...and even then it will last but just a while.
It sure would be nice to hear, I mean really hear...more of the Islamic faith to stand up and publicly denounce the fanaticism that has taken over their religeon. Especially in the mid east...of course they will fear for their lives...which is why most of them don't.
Steve
Finding the right solution...is usually a function of asking the right questions. -A. Einstein
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50 years!
I was under the impression that it had been going on since the walls fell at Jericho. Or around 586 to 538 BC.
I was under the impression that it had been going on since the walls fell at Jericho. Or around 586 to 538 BC.
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Randall wrote:
Steve wrote:
I think that about 95+% of all muslims do not approve of the actions of the terrorists and consider them to be in violation of the teachings of the Koran. I would also say that, with rare exception, there are also no muslim nations that want to see Taliban-style governments set up inside of their borders. They saw what happened in Afghanistan when these fanatics took over. One has to think of the jihadists as a kind of cancer on Islam that will, eventually, be excised. But, the cost in innocent lives will be high...
Well, several posts ago I suggested that what was happening between Israel and Hezbollah was, in reality, a proxy war between Israel and Syria / Iran. Now I may have to expand that a bit.
Apparently, nearly all of the military equipment used by the Israeli Defense Force is American made as are the various bombs and missiles used by their air force.
The air campaign against Hezbollah strongholds and supporting infrastructure has been so intense that it is starting to deplete Israel's supply of munitions. There are stories circulating now that the United States is beginning to ship large quantities of munitions to Israel to support them in there ongoing attempt to eradicate the militant wing of Hezbollah.
Thus, it would seem now that the proxy war might even be interpreted as being between the US and Syria / Iran. That is an ominous sign and reminds me of another proxy war the US was involved in...the Vietnam "Conflict" some thirty odd years ago.
I think that the eradication of Hezbollah is proving more difficult than the Israeli's initially imagined. They are facing an enemy that knows their terrain, is dug in deep in underground tunnels and chambers, and is equipped with surprisingly advanced equipment. I mean, there are many countries that do no have that radar guided shore to sea missile that Hezbollah used to disable one of the Israeli ships maintaining the blockade of the Lebanon's western coastline.
I do not think that our Secretary of State, Condolizza Rice, will have much success in brokering a cease fire in the conflict. Hezbollah has vowed to fight on to the end and the US does not want Syria to be involved in any ceasefire deal or in Lebanon, in general.
Look for the conflict continue for a month or more...
ken
Writing derogatory messages on bombs is merely an expression of anger toward whoever the bomb will be dropped on. I suspect that the same types of messages are being written on the Katyusha rockets that Herbollah is firing at northern Israeli cities, rockets that now have about a million Israeli's hunkered down in bomb shelters waiting for the daily bombardment to cease. I'm sure that there are a lot of Americans who would like to write a personal message on the Hellfire missile that finally crashes through the roof of Osama's "safe" house and sends him to Paradise!Still no comment on the picture of Israeli children signing bombs for Lebanon?
Steve wrote:
Something close to this happened at the emergency meeting of the Arab League last week. In essence, they said that Israel was right in what they were doing to defend themselves from Hezbollah and that both Hamas and Hezbollah were wrong and are inciting unnecessary violence.It sure would be nice to hear, I mean really hear...more of the Islamic faith to stand up and publicly denounce the fanaticism that has taken over their religeon.
I think that about 95+% of all muslims do not approve of the actions of the terrorists and consider them to be in violation of the teachings of the Koran. I would also say that, with rare exception, there are also no muslim nations that want to see Taliban-style governments set up inside of their borders. They saw what happened in Afghanistan when these fanatics took over. One has to think of the jihadists as a kind of cancer on Islam that will, eventually, be excised. But, the cost in innocent lives will be high...
Well, several posts ago I suggested that what was happening between Israel and Hezbollah was, in reality, a proxy war between Israel and Syria / Iran. Now I may have to expand that a bit.
Apparently, nearly all of the military equipment used by the Israeli Defense Force is American made as are the various bombs and missiles used by their air force.
The air campaign against Hezbollah strongholds and supporting infrastructure has been so intense that it is starting to deplete Israel's supply of munitions. There are stories circulating now that the United States is beginning to ship large quantities of munitions to Israel to support them in there ongoing attempt to eradicate the militant wing of Hezbollah.
Thus, it would seem now that the proxy war might even be interpreted as being between the US and Syria / Iran. That is an ominous sign and reminds me of another proxy war the US was involved in...the Vietnam "Conflict" some thirty odd years ago.
I think that the eradication of Hezbollah is proving more difficult than the Israeli's initially imagined. They are facing an enemy that knows their terrain, is dug in deep in underground tunnels and chambers, and is equipped with surprisingly advanced equipment. I mean, there are many countries that do no have that radar guided shore to sea missile that Hezbollah used to disable one of the Israeli ships maintaining the blockade of the Lebanon's western coastline.
I do not think that our Secretary of State, Condolizza Rice, will have much success in brokering a cease fire in the conflict. Hezbollah has vowed to fight on to the end and the US does not want Syria to be involved in any ceasefire deal or in Lebanon, in general.
Look for the conflict continue for a month or more...
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
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Okay. It's a war... so no point in bringing up any news outside a clearly bias press in America, right? ...and when it is pointed out the reaction is "So what?" or "I suspect that the same types of messages are bing written on the Katyusha rockets that Herbollah[sic] is firing at nothiern Isreali cities." You're free to think these things.
Islam and terrorism are antithetical, out of the billion Muslims on the planet there are a handful of extremists and your telling me that there needs to be more Muslims condemning the inherently obviously condemnable. Nobody is afraid to condemn terrorism, that's a myth. You give Islamic peoples no credit. Thanks.
What extremists do goes back to the extremists. If people think they have to link terrorism to Islam because those extremist tout the name of Islam, then they are gullible... taken in by the words of extremists.
Fanaticism has taken over Islam? ...let's go down to the local mosque and see if it has taken over this religion...
-Randall
Islam and terrorism are antithetical, out of the billion Muslims on the planet there are a handful of extremists and your telling me that there needs to be more Muslims condemning the inherently obviously condemnable. Nobody is afraid to condemn terrorism, that's a myth. You give Islamic peoples no credit. Thanks.
What extremists do goes back to the extremists. If people think they have to link terrorism to Islam because those extremist tout the name of Islam, then they are gullible... taken in by the words of extremists.
Fanaticism has taken over Islam? ...let's go down to the local mosque and see if it has taken over this religion...
-Randall
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re: Osama's Message to America!
Randall...
IMHO...this is more "inherently obvious" a condemnation of the Islamic faith than a stupid cartoon depiction in a third rate newspaper.
Steve
If they can come out to the streets...enmass...to condemn a stupid picture in a newspaper editorial cartoon as "insulting" to their beliefs...then yes, I want to see just as much enthusiasm and fervor in denouncing the fanatics. If they were willing to die over a cartoon, then I would expect them to be willing to die just as much if not more over the fanatical reprensentation of their religeon by the fanatics....I don't see this at all...and I mean at all.Islam and terrorism are antithetical, out of the billion Muslims on the planet there are a handful of extremists and your telling me that there needs to be more Muslims condemning the inherently obviously condemnable. Nobody is afraid to condemn terrorism, that's a myth. You give Islamic peoples no credit.
IMHO...this is more "inherently obvious" a condemnation of the Islamic faith than a stupid cartoon depiction in a third rate newspaper.
Steve
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re: Osama's Message to America!
And yet, Steve, the protests against the cartoons were because the cartoons were depicting the Prophet as a terrorist. Isn't that an enmass inherently obvious condemnation of both terrorism and linking terrorism to Islam?
Tell me, where do we go to protest fanaticism/terrorism? The Al-Qaeda embassy?
-Randall
Tell me, where do we go to protest fanaticism/terrorism? The Al-Qaeda embassy?
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Randall...
Steve
Then where is the enmass as far as the fanatics are concerned...not there.Isn't that an enmass inherently obvious condemnation of both terrorism and linking terrorism to Islam?
Uhhh...pick a street...if you call them and let them know that you will be there and why you will be there...they will be there (media). They wouldn't let this story go...not because they like it...but, because they do not want to be behind the eight ball, so to speak. Now, let them (Muslims) be as strident and vocal about the abomination to their religeon from the fanatics as they were about the cartoon strip, maybe there would be something we (as Americans) could grasp. There, however...is not any consideration of these as one in the like...and they are...they speak tomes...Tell me, where do we go to protest fanaticism/terrorism? The Al-Qaeda embassy?
Steve
Finding the right solution...is usually a function of asking the right questions. -A. Einstein