Cosmic Energy Electricity Generators

[ltseung888]

I went to the site:

http://pesn.com/2004/06/30/6900029Peren ... eticMotor/

which claimed to have a Magnetic Perpetual Motion Electricity Generator almost ready for Market.

Can that be real?

The answer is yes. It appears that the inventor does not know the theory (like almost every other inventor in this field.)

A simple pendulum or a weighted wheel is proven to be an Over Unity Device of 1.5. A Shielded Magnet in a Magnetic Field can swing like a pendulum or rotate like a weighted wheel to extract the magnetic energy.

The energy did not come from the Permanent Magnets. This was the same question raised by the China Patent Office to Mr. Song (one of our co-inventors) in 2000.

We shall discuss this after the heated discussions from the Aug 3 post.

[rlortie]

ltseung888

So you recently discovered http://pesn.com/2004/06/30/6900029Peren ... eticMotor/

Where you learned of the Perendev motor, I would think a person of your alleged knowledge, would find such things as old par-say.

Do you have any idea as to how long this design and others like it have been "almost ready for market".

The answer is yes. It appears that the inventor does not know the theory (like almost every other inventor in this field.)

The answer is NO! other wise it would be on the market now. I consider myself an inventor researching in this field, and I may understand the theory but that does not make it run. Suggest you research Howard Johnson, who patented a similar principle (4,151,431) In April of 1974. His is also
"almost ready for market" for the last 32 years!

I fear your heated discussion after Aug. 3rd will only be more of the same. If you are attempting to make a living at this, I advise you, do not give up your career as a stand up comedian.

The table game of ping-pong is or was a popular chinese sporting game. If you believe in your pulse theory, simply suspend two paddles as pendulums and start a ball bouncing back and forth between them. If it gains in amplitude and velocity let us know.

Ralph

[winkle]

ltseung888

I fear your heated discussion after Aug. 3rd will only be more of the same. If you are attempting to make a living at this, I advise you, do not give up your career as a stand up comedian.

The table game of ping-pong is or was a popular chinese sporting game. If you believe in your pulse theory, simply suspend two paddles as pendulums and start a ball bouncing back and forth between them. If it gains in amplitude and velocity let us know.

Ralph

ha ha lol
thats funny Ralph

[ltseung888]

Here is the promised design released to the Public on Aug 3, 2006

Thanks to the many reviewers who provided numerous feedback and suggestions. The information is meant to be studied, studied and studied. Casual glancing would be a waste of time.

The details are in the attached file “LeeTseung.doc”. The file is designed to be standalone. You may email it to others without requiring them to read the >200 posts in this thread.

Figure 6 shows that an overbalanced wheel can be treated as a pendulum (thanks to John Collins). The Pendulum with Horizontal Push is proven to be an Over Unity Device of 1.5 (thanks to Georg Kuenstler, Mr. Ting, Professor Chan, Mr. Tsui, Mr. Tong and others for confirming the mathematics).

Note that we use Feedback Mechanisms to return at least 67% of the output energy back to input. Anything less than that would cause a gradual slowing down of the Wheel. Note also the use of the overbalanced wheel to create acceleration and deceleration – constant speed rotation requires no force and thus no energy exchange.

Figures 1 and 2 are being implemented by two teams – one in Hong Kong and one in Mainland China. The Plan is to have the prototypes ready before the October Renewable Energy Conference in St. Louis. The prototypes will be shown earlier to the American Academics and left behind for them to do further research. The exact dimensions, material used, etc. will be disclosed fully to the World. There will be no hiding of any detail.

You are welcome to do a similar implementation. If you intend to market it for profit, please contact us to discuss the patent royalty payment details. (For this particular implementation, we intend to donate all royalty to the Red Cross.)

[jimmyjj]

Hello Lee Tseung.

The design looks interesting could you please possibly post an isometric view of it in 3D or elso a picture of it.

Initially i was under the assumption that you had invented an over unity device using modern IC's and had not uncovered Besslers secret
mechanism and now as i understand it you are claiming to have done just that!

Do you now also have a working Bessler wheel?

Well it sounds amazing and like you might have one...

Jimmy

[graham]

Lee Tseung asks the following:

Can you understand the theory? When the answer is revealed, is it obvious to you?

The answer to the first question is . Not yet.
To the second . It is not obvious to me.

I've read your download file several times but can't quite grasp the whole thing.
I'm surprised that there has been so little response from others since I need some help understanding the theory.

Graham

[jim_mich]

I down loaded the document and read it through. It is so pathetic, like something a grade school student might present. I didn't feel it deserved any responce at all so I ignored it.

Maybe next we will be instructed to connect a generator to power an electric motor then connect the motor back to drive the generator?

[Jon J Hutton]

He (Mr. T) makes no attempt to describe the mechanism at all...It is just like before where he talks about some vague theory that is based on a mother pushing a swing and so far nobody except himself agrees that it is possible (see the recent poll) to get over unity from. He uses a theory that from the looks of (parallelogram force) has more to do with pythagoreans theorem than physics. It is so vague I can't believe I am responding to it.

JJH

[Vic Hays]

It seems to me that the operating principle in the mechanism presented is:

As the off balance wheel rotates, the assembly wants to rotate about its center of gravity. This puts a rotating radial load on shaft #3. If shaft #3 is allowed freedom of movement in the downward direction then it can power the impulse pulley #6 to cause further rotation of the unbalanced wheel. This is similar in action to an out of balance washing machine in the spin cycle. If Mr. T is correct about "leading out gravity energy" then perhaps such an idea is workable. What is missing is showing that the lever arms that attach to shaft #3 allow downward movement. The link and movement of the impulse wheel are shown.

[MrTim]

The consensus seems to be this is just another case of "getting nothing for something".... ;)

[graham]

Well I'm glad that it was not my "thickness" that caused me to NOT see an overunity device that would finally reveal the long sought after solution

One thing has always had me wondering . That being that JB's wheels speeds had a relationship to their size. Just like a pendulums length has a relationship to its period . The longer its length the slower its period ,shorten the length and you shorten its period

Now we are told that the 3' wheel turned at about 60 rpm, whilst the 12' wheel turned at only 26 rpm. Smaller faster, larger slower. Just like a pendulum

Assuming that a pendulum might have pivoted from the wheels axis then a 12' wheel could have had a 5 or 6 foot pendulum length and a 3' wheel could have had a 12 to 18" pendulum length.

Is there a formula to find a pendulums period for any given length ? I'm curious.

Graham

[ken_behrendt]

I decided not to download the "theory" document because everytime I Open a Word document that someone attaches on this board, it tends to contaminate my current Word Template with the text formatting instructions in the downloaded document. Then when I go to work on a page from my book, that downloaded document's formatting is imposed on my current book's page and there is, apparently, nothing I can do about it until I start a new document.

However, I decided to, at least, try building something based on the sketch Mr. Lawrence Tseung posted and it is attached below. The gear ratios have to the exactly correct or this mechanism immediately locks up and will not turn.

I had to guess at some likely gear ratios and adusted their signs so that the three wheels would turn in the same directions as what he indicates in his sketch. However, with air resistance set to "low" the oscillation of the 10 lb red weight would probably come to an end by about 300 seconds or so. Obviously, there is no OU in the model I made.

Mr. Tseung...

If you can tell what gear ratios to use, then maybe I can give it another try...


ken

[ovyyus]

Now we are told that the 3' wheel turned at about 60 rpm, whilst the 12' wheel turned at only 26 rpm.

There was no 3' wheel. Bessler's first wheel was about 3 ells http://www.orffyre.com/measurements.html

[ltseung888]

To ken_behrendt,

I have changed the .doc format to .pdf format for you. If you read the file carefully, you will find that we used a frictional wheel 6b so that the Gear Ratio could be effectively adjusted.

Your analysis that if the gear ratio were rigid, the machine will lock up is exactly correct. At least we agree on that point.

You are one of the few that understands the Mathematical Proof starting from the analysis of Parallelogram of Forces. Please double check and see if the mathematics is correct.

Your double check may help to remove much doubt from the participants.

Lawrence Tseung and Lee Cheung Kin

[ken_behrendt]

Mr. Tseung...

Thanks for changing the format from .doc to .pdf. But, something is wrong. I can not seem to complete a download of your .pdf file. Are .pdf files allowed in attachments to posts on this board?


ken