Cosmic Energy Electricity Generators

[graham]

Mr T cautions us as follows:

Do not have blind faith in Scientists including myself.

Warning noted. Thankyou .

Graham

[Wheeler]

Mr T why work so hard to get posts on this thread, when you have all you need to change the world.

Your on the forum that says no until proof.

You can find forums that will support you.

Try www. open to anything.con us

[Michael]

Why on earth would a proffesional be using a hotmail account for their email?

[rlortie]

Do not have blind faith!

Ok! lets look at the picture titled:

This is the famous Dr. S. Y. Liang car. It was videotaped in Sep. 2003.

Does blind faith mean that I am to ignore the fact that this is a composite picture were the artist did not get the shadows of man and objects to match, or was it taken on a planet with two suns?

Notice, I do not bother to sign my name to such bull!

[ken_behrendt]

Mr. Tseung...

Thanks for finally posting some photographs of the various devices that your group is working on. At least, they show that some actual construction did take place.

I found your first photo of the 225 Hp gravity motor to be of interest and, of course, noted the 12 volt batteries that power it solenoids attached to it.

Now I think I see how you maintain the imbalance of the drum in this device. Simple magnetic reed switches would energize the solenoids on the descending side of the drum. That would result in a small weight being lifted away from the axle of the drum and would also stretch a restoration spring in the process. As the weights reached the 6:00 position of the drum, the solenoid current would be switched off and the spring attached to each weight would pull it back toward the axle of the drum. Obviously, such a system will keep the drum in a perpetual state of imbalance and the drum will spin.

However, this process requires a constant current flow through the active solenoids which must be maintained by the 12 volt battery. Unless some method is used to recover some of the power of the rotating drum and use it to recharge the battery, that battery will, evenually, go dead.

I assume that the drum is connected to a small electrical generator which then is supposed to not only recharge the battery, but also power outside devices with "free" energy gotten from the falling weights on the outer surface of the drum.

Now, my question is this. Does the power output of the electrical generator exceed the power used by the solenoids when the drum is kept rotating by using the solenoids to shift its descending side weights?

If not, then this device can not possibly work. If you claim it is, then I would want to know how you are measuring the power consumption of the solenoids and the power output of the generator. It can be a difficult matter to determine the actual total power output of electrical devices when varying voltages and currents are involved. Many an inventor has erroneously concluded that his device was producing OU when, if fact, it was not when the power outputs involved where properly measured.



ken

[cw]

Every time I check this thread, the same eight-letter word comes to mind. Harry Frankfurt of Princeton University explains it quite nicely in the following link. Particularly the first paragraph, last sentence:

Read professor Harry's thoughts.

[ltseung888]

To ken_behrendt,

Now, my question is this. Does the power output of the electrical generator exceed the power used by the solenoids when the drum is kept rotating by using the solenoids to shift its descending side weights?

If not, then this device can not possibly work. If you claim it is, then I would want to know how you are measuring the power consumption of the solenoids and the power output of the generator. It can be a difficult matter to determine the actual total power output of electrical devices when varying voltages and currents are involved. Many an inventor has erroneously concluded that his device was producing OU when, if fact, it was not when the power outputs involved where properly measured.

Now I know that you do not read .doc files. I am reproducing the ThirdGen.doc here for you.

The planned Introduction Speech on the Third Generation Cosmic Energy Electricity Generator Prototype from Lawrence Tseung in St. Louis in Oct.

Dear xxx,

We are honored today to present to you a working prototype of the Third Generation Cosmic Energy Electricity Generator. This prototype was provided by the courtesy of Yuen Fat Development Ltd. of Hong Kong and its partners. The Inventors include: xxx, yyy, zzz.

This particular prototype can produce 225 Horse Power and has been vigorously tested by xxx, yyy – two of the most famous Universities in USA. Their independent and authoritative reports are available at the following websites:
xxxx, yyyy.

This prototype uses programmed magnetic pulses from solenoids on the stationary outer cylinder to drive a rotating inner cylinder with embedded magnets.

The operating steps are as follows:

1. A battery is used to start a D/C motor to rotate the inner cylinder to a speed of x revolutions per minute.
2. The inner cylinder with embedded magnets is also programmed to rotate to the speed of x revolutions per minute from the solenoids on the outer cylinder. The rotating inner cylinder with Pulse Force acts as the Gravity Extraction Device of Over Unity Coefficient of 1.5.
3. After the designed speed of x revolutions per minute is achieved, the feedback circuit will recharge the battery and take over as the input energy source.
4. Energy can be extracted from the rotating central shaft to generate electricity. This electricity is used to power miscellaneous electrical appliances and to feedback the input as mentioned in step 3. The ratio of Application Load to Feedback is approximately 1:2. In other words, 2/3 of the output energy is feedback as input.
5. Sensing circuits are used to modify the program that generates Pulses from the solenoids according to external electrical load. Three light bulbs are always on to ensure some external load and to indicate that the Generator is functional.

You are welcome to come and have a closer look at this Invention. The Inventors and the Professors who did the tests are available to answer your questions.

I shall post the reports from the two USA Universities when they are ready. I do not want to steal their thunder at this time.

[ltseung888]

To ken_behrendt,

A theory is justified by its quantitative predictions.

Let us apply our theory to the figure 225HP001.jpg posted on Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:06 am

The Maximum Energy that can be lead out per sec from our theory (ME) is
2 x MgR x N where
M = Effective Mass of the Wheel if all mass were at the rim in Kg
g = Gravitational Constant 9.8m/s/s
R = Radius in Meters
N = Number of Revolutions per second

The actual output power should be 3 times that (2/3 feedback which means the measured output before feedback is 3 times ME)

The calculated output power from the dimensions
= 3 * 2 * M * g * R * N
= 3 * 2 * 50 * 9.8 * 0.6 * 50
= 176,400 (watts)

or in Horse Power = 240

The experimental observed horse Power = 225

With such results, can we say that our theory is reasonably accurate?

[ken_behrendt]

Mr. Tseung's speech says:

3. After the designed speed of x revolutions per minute is achieved, the feedback circuit will recharge the battery and take over as the input energy source.
4. Energy can be extracted from the rotating central shaft to generate electricity. This electricity is used to power miscellaneous electrical appliances and to feedback the input as mentioned in step 3. The ratio of Application Load to Feedback is approximately 1:2. In other words, 2/3 of the output energy is feedback as input.

From this it sounds like 2/3 of the energy output of the device must be used in maintaining its continous operation, but that 1/3 is still left over to perform useful work in the environment. And, I assume that the 1/3 left over or "free" energy produced is 1/3 of the "observed" 225 horsepower or about 70 horsepower.

That's a very impressive figure considering that Bessler's largest wheel only produced a few 1/100ths of a horsepower. It is certainly enough power to operate a small automobile.

You then wrote:

The experimental observed horse Power = 225

So, once again I am asking you if you know for a fact that this device is, in reality, capable of continuously outputting 70 horsepower of power without the need for any outside source of energy.

You also mention in your speech that the device has been "vigourously" (did you really mean to write "rigorously") tested at two "famous" American universities, xxx and yyy, and that the test results are available at the websites xxxx and yyyy.

Well, that is a rather awesome claim to make. Any chance of you telling us the names of the "famous" American universities that conducted the testing of this device so that we can independently verify that claim?


ken

[LustInBlack]

Tseung, download WM2D, you can have it as a demo easily, and if you want to export your model, I think it's Ken that created a script to do just that.

Then, build your wheel in WM2D, so that it corresponds to your specifications. and send that wm2d file here on the forum .

Ken, can you help him with that!?


Tseung, you should not have any problem with that simple software, remember, you have a degree.....

Link to download in this thread :
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewt ... light=wm2d

[ltseung888]

To ken_behrendt,

So, once again I am asking you if you know for a fact that this device is, in reality, capable of continuously outputting 70 horsepower of power without the need for any outside source of energy.

You also mention in your speech that the device has been "vigorously" (did you really mean to write "rigorously") tested at two "famous" American universities, xxx and yyy, and that the test results are available at the websites xxxx and yyyy.

Well, that is a rather awesome claim to make. Any chance of you telling us the names of the "famous" American universities that conducted the testing of this device so that we can independently verify that claim?

Note that the speech will be delivered in Oct. The machines (2 variations - a Motor and an Electricity Generator) are definitely in USA. Please be patient and wait for the reports from the two famous USA Universities. We are not allowed to use their names prematurely but you will recognize them with no hesitation.

You and the alternative energy group have waited 300 years. A few more weeks will not be too much to ask. I know the claim is awesome. That is why I used this forum as a dry run. Now I know the only chance of getting it accepted in Oct. is for the reports from the two famous USA Universities to come out first.

Please help the forum to understand the mathematics. I believe Georg and you are the only two who have grasped the mathematics at present.

I have not used WM2D and I do not intend to learn it now. You can try that on the suggested designs. I am not optimistic as the WM2D tools are unlikely to incorporate the Lead Out gravitational energy mathematics. If they had, they would have claimed the discovery of the Pendulum or the Overbalanced Wheel as the Over Unity Device of 1.5. They would win the Nobel Prize instead of us. Ha Ha.

[LustInBlack]

Tseung, I think you don't understand what I am asking you .....

It's not complicated, I just want you to create the machine in wm2d to the correct specifications so it's clear to everybody .

I don't mind if it's not working ..

Anyways, yeah I know, it's too much to ask to someone with all those years of study, sorry to ask you to bend to our level .......


But really, I think it's because you don't know how to use that kind of software..
[T-o-o c-o-m-p-l-e-x for you]

[Fletcher]

Up till now I've deliberately kept my views to myself about the claims made here. October is not too far away to wait & my curiosity isn't eating me up, so I'm comfortable with that. What's the odds that the date will be postponed or the universities reports won't be available ?

Anyways, many have tried to create an out of balance wheel using electronics (solenoids etc) in place of magnets. The theory being that electro magnets can be switched of at the appropriate times so that there is no back emf (or drag to the system) etc. As far as I know no one has succeeded in building a motor or generator that once started can disconnect the battery & run continuously & produce excess power that can be bled off to do work. Some of the magnetic designs, I believe, can run for a while until the magnetic flux lines that power the unit weaken from realignment of the rare earth magnet polarities, over time, so that at best the permanent magnets are like batteries themselves.

In the example of the pulsed pendulum, as a solution to Bessler's wheel mech, presented here by Lawrence, I think a lot is left to be desired in the way Lawrence describes the mechanics of its use & the energy extraction potential.

Math is a tool like any other tool which can be used erroneously to support an incomplete or unsound idea but that does not mean because you can balance an equation or rearrange it that it is used in the correct context. I prefer to deal in the imagery of physics, in toto, so here goes with a written visual description of Lawrence's pulsed pendulum in action.

If a pendulum is let swing from any height (other than when hanging vertically at 6 o'cl) the acceleration due gravity will cause the pendulum to gain velocity to its maximum at 6 o'cl. Thereafter as it swings past 6 o'cl the energy of the pendulum can be calculated by a factor of the mass & its tangential velocity i.e. KE=1/2mv2. However the pendulums momentum at 6 o'cl is mv. The important part is that the momentum gained is a factor of the mass & acceleration from gravity giving the inertia of the object. Once the pendulum swings past 6 o'cl the pendulums momentum is diminished by gravity deccelerating the mass on the upswing so that the momentum gained in the downswing is exactly depleted to zero with no loss of vertical height from its start position. That's why all we have to know is that PE=mgh. At that point the pendulum has reached its highest amplitude, stops & swings back down again.

With no losses, such as windage or bearing friction etc, the amplitude of the swing would remain constant BUT in the real world there are losses to consider which rob the system of energy, so it's an energy dampened system without additional input of energy to sustain it.

Now, if we apply a pulse force at any stage in the swing cycle, in the direction of the swing (that could be horizontally at 6 o'cl), it adds energy into the system which manifests as momentum in the pendulum mass, which means a higher amplitude of swing achieved. I won't even go into the mechanical complexities of arranging pulse contact & duration (to apply the same force acceleration) with a variable speed pendulum while in swing.

It's not to hard from there to replace the imaginary pendulum with an eccentric flywheel or grindstone & apply a pulse force at the top horizontal position of 12 o'cl. If enough of a pulse is given to overcome normal system losses the grindstone will continue to cycle over TDC & will do so again, provided a regular pulse force is applied each cycle.

The trouble is, I can see no potential to extract usable energy from the swinging system that can be used for work & also pulse the system again that doesn't rob momentum from the system. In other words, any attempt to bleed energy requires a coupling to the system which then acts as a brake.

Lawrence imo has provided no additional information about where this energy is to come from. Clearly the CP in the rod or pendulum rope attachment can store some energy in the form of tension (like a spring) but it gains this & gives it back at right angles to the arc of swing of the pendulum, so that it can have no thrust vector to accelerate the pendulum. JMHO's.

[cw]

Tseung, I think you don't understand what I am asking you .....

It's not complicated, I just want you to create the machine in wm2d to the correct specifications so it's clear to everybody .

I don't mind if it's not working ..

Anyways, yeah I know, it's too much to ask to someone with all those years of study, sorry to ask you to bend to our level .......


But really, I think it's because you don't know how to use that kind of software..
[T-o-o c-o-m-p-l-e-x for you]

It's a futile request LIB. WM2D does not support simulation of thermal gradients...such as those produced by hot bullpoop.

[terry5732]

I got really sick of the stench and just cut the end here.
Did he give the link for where to send funds yet?