Bessler's use of Gravity

[Michael]

Guy's I wouldn't worry about it either way. You all have emails that have the inforamtion as well as the dates on them. Ralph I think Ken is just airing a concern. I don't see how his concerns would affect what anyone thinks of you. The only way that would happen is if it turned out to be true and that would be provable easily enough.

[bluesgtr44]

Hey Ken T....just to add a little encouragement. If you are looking down the path of "keeping the weights on the descending side..." I can appreciate that line of thinking. Pop me an E-mail if ya like....


Steve

[james kelly]

Once again tempers flair. I assure you, that Ralph has never talked about working on any one elses wheel, and I always knew better than to question him. As I have said before, I have a great amount of varification that I was working on a working wheel for over 40 years. I even intended to install it in a plant that I set up in Richmond ,IN. Everyone thought I was nuts, but enjoyed watching it work and trying to figure out why it worked. I also have proof that a ramp design worked over 40 years ago. and I have the original drawings. I was going to install the unit in Richmond to generate electricity. The power bill at that time was running a little over 6000 dollarsa month.I built the plant and the refrigeration in 1978. the plant was 200,000 sq.ft. jim kelly now it seems that a great many want to destroy our relationship.jlk

[rlortie]

Fletcher,

Joined at the hip was James statement which I neither refuted or acknowledge other than in good jest. It is true that we look upon each other to be as close as brothers. We share a lot of commonality in our lives.

Yes we share, and work together on improving old ideas. (NOT Those held in confidence of OTHER PEOPLES). For His new design I will claim to have given him inspiration, but it is all his innovation that is building it. And it is he that is posting any claims.

General feed back here on the forum seems to be leading everyone into thinking that this new design is a rendering of the old. I do not recall Kelly stating anything of that nature, if so then I missed it. Nor have I seen any post by him claiming "ramps" I have not heard or used the term in any of our communication.

I believe that he deliberately held back on updating me as a surprise! I first heard about it by phone. I was stunned with his first statement which of course I cannot elaborate on.

Ralph

[ken_behrendt]

James Kelly wrote:

Everyone thought I was nuts, but enjoyed watching it work and trying to figure out why it worked. I also have proof that a ramp design worked over 40 years ago. and I have the original drawings.

Didn't you tell us that you "forgot" the details of your earlier working wheels? Now you state that you have the "original" drawings. How could you have forgotten the details of the earlier wheels if you retained the schematics for them?


ken

[racer270]

guys, things are getting ugly around here........... here is a picture of the real mr. X

[rlortie]

Steve,

In keeping with my own moral standards, when a question is aimed directly at me I answer.

So, to show how open this dialogue is and so many designs can fit this description....I ask Ralph a direct question. My design was based on a ramp assist was it not? All weights are on the descending side. Is this true? None of the weights are lifted by the wheel. Is this true?

There has been many designs received since then. But without digging it up, as I recall the answer is yes to all points put forward!

As my input to the forum for today I add my own words or thoughts. A wheel lifting no weights on the ascending side is not to say that there are no weights on the ascending side.

Bessler states that one side is full the other empty! To me that means there are no weights on the ascending side. I have reviewed and considered such designs.

Ralph

[james kelly]

My first working gravity unit was designed and built in 1963, I was a NHRA record holdler at the time. In a dragster devision, I was never beaten. I built engines and cars for some of the biggest names in the business.I built my own plane in 1958, it was a Stitz Playboy. NOW! Down to the nitty gritty. Ralph may not sue, BUT I will! It would not cost me much to do so. I have printouts of all of the accussations.I have sent 8 of my 10 children to college to become very good engineer , doctors, and lawyers. James L. Kelly

[ovyyus]

I would like to say that I consider Ralph to be one of the most trustworthy individuals that I've come across. He has always done exactly what he's said - and what more could anyone ask?

I will also add that Jim Kelly, against enormous current personal hardship, remains eerily committed to proving his design. Jim asks for nothing (except perhaps a little company) while he continues his work.

There's NO scamming going on here with these two blokes. I guess paranoia and jealousy is just another day at the office in this field :D

Back to work fella's...

[Michael]

There is something you might think about clarifying though Ralph, I'm sending you a p.m.

[Jon J Hutton]

I couldn't agree more about Jim and Ralph and some others here....Id buy them a drink any day.........Pepsi that is, I am a missionary.

[rlortie]

ovyyus and Jon,

I thank you both for your recognition and input. It is very refreshing to know that you are both out there.

Jon,

Speaking of integrity and reputation. It was I who promoted you to start an off topic subject on your water problems. And it was I who probably participated the least.

I deliberately set back and scrutinized the input from peddle pumps to what ever input you received.

In the meantime I have just about wore out a manual titled "A comprehensive Guide to the Selection, Installation, Maintainance and trouble shooting of Centrifugal pumps. I have not forgotten and will meet you on that thread.

[Fletcher]

Well, that settles it Bill.

We shall just have to accept everyones word that they are truthful & honest men at all times about such a momentous thing. We should forget about a public validation or investigation of these claims (or even saying to the discussion board that a trustworthy member is looking at the wheel & design who is free to give his opinion). I guess that is until James Kelly says its Ok for you to do so or the patent comes out.


What happened to professional objectivity - makes a mockery of things doesn't it ?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof etc etc etc. I'm happy being a fence sitter until I have sufficient information to base an informed opinion on, or at least some independent, trustworthy & reliable opinion to consider.

Nevertheless, I hope it's true ;)

[ovyyus]

Fletcher, Jim Kelly may or may not be able to prove his design - only time will tell. However, Jim and Ralph are not trying to scam anyone here and to think otherwise is a waste of your time - that is my only point - and you know I wouldn't say it lightly.

At present I have nothing physical to validate, objectively or otherwise. Like you, I hope that situation might change some day soon. I can only be surprised.

As Ralph has already said, Jim is obviously quite capable of running his own show as he see's fit. But I can understand why some members might find Jim's posts frustrating at times... maybe a little less teasing would be a better approach from both sides of this fence that you and I are sitting on ;)

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof etc etc etc...

Aint that the truth!

[rlortie]

Well said ovyyus,

I work with a number of members on this forum on a confidential basis. Why! because they ask for my assistance and or to share input.
I build wheels of designs I receive that look promising, most are rejected in short order.

Of these members, James Kelly is only one leaf on the tree. As falling leaves they have come and gone. My agreement with him is no different than with any other member who wishes my input, resources and aptitude to build a POP of a working design.

And this is what I will do if and when Mr. Kelly completes his present design and tells me that it works. I will then build a small model that can be easily transported and placed on a desk. It will be of solid metal with all the polished bells and whistles. This I will do for any member that wishes my services. I work on a contingency basis for a share and recognition of the invention. This is not limited to just wheels, as some ideas I have received have shown potential for other markets.

Any posting by a member that lets it be known to be affiliated with me, is responsible for there own statements. It should not be stated that I need to go to there place of residence and check on their validation. I am not responsible for their statements.

Should any member in confidence divulge designs containing my input then that is my problem to deal with. If I give the inspiration and you provide the innovation then it is your property. and this is the present circumstance involving James Kelly.

My rules are simple.

I do not except ideas or work with any member who does not give surname, location and a little background information on themselves.

I do not divulge any information without approval.

I do not use other peoples designs to augment my own without approval.
Using parts of, or merging a design is only with the consent of both parties.

If the wheel or design is a failure then I leave it up to the responsible party to go public for the good of the forum.

Working with a member that goes public without substantiation is on their own, it is not my obligation or responsiblity to answer for their actions.

Accusations of me passing confidential information without permission to any member including James Kelly is unfounded.

I have my own designs to work on and meet my accepted obligations to others. I do not have time to be defending myself on this forum. You either accept me for what I am or consider the source and ignore me.

I am more than willing to debate a design either in confidence or open board as we all learn by it. But I am sick and tired of wasting my time refuting my personal integrity!

I am the ticket salesman here to assist you, I am not responsible if the train is running late!

Ralph