Ralph .. I agree that we need a new approach, if that's what your suggesting.
The monkey thing shows we all have learned responses to certain situations. I've seen yours, when things get inflammatory you want to debate with a lawyer taking notes ;) We can only try to rise above it when we recognize it.
Not exactly a new approach but just clean up the existing so as to get back on track and pay heed to what we have been taking for granite\
All we are doing in a sense is blocking our innovation and discerning views by not keeping an open mind and relying on things that have been taken in tow by consensus rather than by trying it for yourself. Do not linger on what has been said but what has not been said.
Your reaction to my bringing forth the Monkey story, shows me that it is already working as planned. Your statement about me wanting to debate with a lawyer is the first one.
You made me stop and think! Yup! every time I get into it with some one over my integrity I make statements about committing a tort or personal slander. I admit that, but add that it was an automatic response. A response no different than the monkey I am not the suing type.
I guess it is because I have Broderbund Business Lawyer at my finger tips. A program that I sometimes study simply to broaden my education. For example I wrote my own last will and testament and filed my own divorce papers a few years ago. Also do landlord-tenant contracts Etc. What is on the mind can be reflected through actions.
I take your points guys. Yes Michael, occasionally I get excited that this time I've got it. Usually a little more research & some basic experiments rules it out as a dead end. Occasionally a sim will show promise or an anomaly that can not be easily explained. Usually they are zero runners at best until a load is added. Sometimes an idea is so intoxicating that I just have to build the dang thing so see whether it conforms to the sim or not. Usually it does. Each experience I try to learn from it & remember it.
Where I personally draw the line in the sand is at not getting publicly vocal about my latest "sure bet" on BesslerBoard to the point of crowing or dropping hints. History has taught me that there's a very good chance that I still need to learn some more about how to design & build gravity wheels. For a start how to get one to work ;)
Where I personally draw the line in the sand is at not getting publicly vocal about my latest "sure bet" on BesslerBoard to the point of crowing or dropping hints. History has taught me that there's a very good chance that I still need to learn some more about how to design & build gravity wheels. For a start how to get one to work ;)
Crowing or dropping hints of what you feel is a sure runner will get you in the barrel every time.
On the other hand dropping hints in order to get feed back is productive if done in a subtle manner.
I have an idea, but before proceeding I wish to gather input without revealing the concept. Drop a hint, those with the aptitude to pick up on the hint will be your filter leading to members that you may wish to indulge with a little deeper. If they do not get the hint then you have saved a lot of irrelevant discussion.
I want you to think about something but yet I do not wish to cloud your innovation, leaving no challenge for perception by not giving you the full picture! Drop a hint. I want your thoughts, not your thoughts about mine!
I tend to avoid the "dropping hints" game...I prefer to drop the actual design I am working on so that the feedback it gathers will be from members who know pretty much exactly what I have in mind. If the idea eventually gets shot down, then so be it. That can serve to speed me on my way to another, hopefully more successful design...
ken
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:
Ken,
Unfortunately most of us know exactly what you have in mind. I would not join a betting pool that you would come up with something different tomorrow. The word eventually is usually less than 30 seconds for me and some claim they do not bother to look.
I know you claim and do get a lot of views on your attachments, but have you asked yourself for what reason. for me it is to see if you will shock me with something different than weights hanging on construed pendulum or bell cranks. So far I have not been shocked.
No disrespect Ralph but I think I prefer Ken's approach. For example, if 99.9 % of designs are/have been proved groundless then getting people to decipher/interpret hints is three more degrees of separation from figuring a true working design. Even when I know all the facts & can read someone's descriptions for myself I still manage to either get it wrong or can't see the potential that they see & that's after discussing it openly.
(Don't take this personally) To me a hint or clue implies that you are 100% sure of your design, so much so, that you just have to let people know that you know. Then when it fails to live up to expectations only you know it, while the rest assume you've still got something up your sleeve that will bring it all together. imo its an untidy self serving game.
Of course should someone one day actually have a working wheel & drops hints they would be entirely justified in doing so in their mind. They might however wonder why there was a less than spectacular response to their hints, probably caused by the synaptic overload from previous hinter's hints that went nowhere & the fact that just about every man & his dog have turned up here with so-called working wheels that also went nowhere.
No disrespect taken! My description of hint dropping does not apply to me individually or my views on personal selfishness.
It is what the U. S. Army Corps of Engineers sent me to college to learn. it is Called LEAD training. A think tank process for bringing a group together to express and expand on ideas. A supervisory class that all employees of responsible positions were required to attend.
A lot of the scenario can be found in Dale Carnage's old book on "How to win friends and influence people.
Object: you have an off the wall idea that is way off base. My job is to turn that idea around making something useful of it and you walk out of the room strutting like a peacock. because even though I have induced you to turn 180 you still feel that it was your idea and I agreed.
It has also been referred to as Brain washing techniques.
Fletcher, it's so true.. When someone does really make a real claim, he will have to keep up with every questions and he must put all the bells and whistles and diligently answer every questions without rest and provide proofs etc..
I hope it happens someday . ..
Since I am here, I see the pattern (Snpssaini, Tseung, Georg...)
All "secret resolved", "it's over".. But no explanation and questions answering, or real life video etc..
Take two steps back and look at the situation from my point of view. IÂ’m sure you can see why I have reason for concern. I contacted Ralph with my design and since then I have seen him describe its functions many times in this thread and in others. To me confidentiality means not saying a word about it. Also I see James announcing he has a working wheel and from every description it works just like mine it even weighs the same as mine. I am not trying to ruin RalphÂ’s reputation here I still like and respect the man. I do not believe he is the type of person who would build everyoneÂ’s wheels so he can find one that works and steel it.
To many red flags have popped up. You say my design changed but it never did. You said you could not understand many things about it and often asked the same dumb question twice. I presented it to my boss at work and he had no problem understanding it.
When I mentioned it was a ramp style design you said it was not in this thread but when pressed you admitted it was a ramp design.
The bottom line is this. The wheel will be patented and shortly after that the design will be public knowledge. If the design resembles mine does not need to be exact then there will be a civil suit. You both will loose everything. Remember what happened to O.J.
If the design is in no way, shape, or form like my own then I will beg for your forgiveness on hands and knees.
Ken Toliver; Then you had better get on bended knee and beg our forgiveness. My original ; now follow this closely, had a ramp design. I never patented it. that was in 1963. since then many others have patented that design. Since you have made these accusations, I am afraid to tell anymore about what is going on with mine. You are the one who has talked about you design. I am sorry, but there is already a design patent on that. maybe you need to sue the holder of that patent. James Kelly
I`ll type very slowly so you can understand. If your ramp design had been patented we would not be using coal today. No one believes your memory loss story of 40 + years. Ralph emailed me and informed me of you situation but I would like to hear it from you. Hows you memory James? Oh, by the way still waiting on that law suit.
Ken Toliver; SInce YOU can not seem to take the time to look for the patent, which must be done for you to patent yours, or for me to patent mine;I will do the search for you.
Put yourself in my shoes. I sent a design to someone to build. That same person posted information about it on this site. Some were just results, some as ideas up for discusion and one boo boo as he called it.
Now that persons hip buddy claims to have a working wheel. Everything that was stated about the wheel matches mine to a tee including the weight.
Now if you were in my shoes what would you do?
