This thread is totally bizarre . I can't believe grown men are behaving this way.
Whoever said it is right, "that not much has changed in over 300 yrs in the way people behave".
Why don't you guys form your own private group where you can all brag to each other how clever you are and leave the forums to the rest of us dummies.
Graham
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I am a lover of Humanity, It's people I can't stand.
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Ok, I'll leave since I can't make heads or tails out of much of what is said anyway.
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Graham,
I agree and find it baffling to be in the middle of it. There is always some loose ends hanging that need to be cleared up or things seem to snowball way out of proportion.
my latest nagging concern is to jim_mich,
Jim, you have quoted this statement with concern more than once. Please go back to the original and try if you will to understand that I meant this statement in general to all members who contact me. I know I am not the best at writing descriptive text for which you have reminded me.
The above statement was not meant to imply James, Steve and myself. It was meant for all members who have approached me with there ideas.
One good example would be Claudio. I assisted him in good faith and then he took the refined concept and went public without my acknowledgement or agreement. Obviously without any bench testing which I would have never dreamed of.
Ralph
I agree and find it baffling to be in the middle of it. There is always some loose ends hanging that need to be cleared up or things seem to snowball way out of proportion.
my latest nagging concern is to jim_mich,
I must remember that it their idea and not mine. I do not share my own ideas, ...
Jim, you have quoted this statement with concern more than once. Please go back to the original and try if you will to understand that I meant this statement in general to all members who contact me. I know I am not the best at writing descriptive text for which you have reminded me.
The above statement was not meant to imply James, Steve and myself. It was meant for all members who have approached me with there ideas.
One good example would be Claudio. I assisted him in good faith and then he took the refined concept and went public without my acknowledgement or agreement. Obviously without any bench testing which I would have never dreamed of.
Ralph
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I wasn't refering to you Jim_Mich .You can stay . :-)
Graham
Graham
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Best of luck with your surgery Ralph . I want you to LIVE . I would however like to see this thread DIE.
Graham
Graham
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You guys must learn to be more specific. I can't read your minds nor can I see who you're looking at when you talk. OK? :-)
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Doesn't matter really. They don't have a wheel that works anyway. I only wonder which one is holding the cup and which one grinds the organ. That's the only motion here. Their story is not being told well at all.
The music box organ. They are both too old for the other one:-).
War Hammer
The music box organ. They are both too old for the other one:-).
War Hammer
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"The history of our race, and each individual's experience, are sown thick with evidence that a truth is not hard to kill and that a lie told well is immortal. " Twain
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This thread is CLOSED! NO detours! DOES this suit you grahm? I do like you. !712 can go piss up a rope into the wind!
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Why not?Do you really think I would tell you if I had a running wheel before the legalities were confirmed and so documented?
Thank you for the kind thoughts.I have not heard or seen of anyone else on this forum with the aptitude or perception to figure it out, and imply as such.
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Sure Steve, any time you want or need.
Ralph I'm not sure of your post.
There is no "nice try" as you are implying Ralph, it is a legitimate offer of help.
Saving months by doing months of work? Your right that you and James are the only ones who know fully how it works, which makes your following statement/s a little irrelevant;
Etc.
Anyway Ralph it's obvious you feel close to this concept so though I'm not trying to step on your toes and take anything away from you I apologize.
For Steve,
When you look past the hope of wanting to find a free energy device the normal illusions that hold your imagination fall away. It's actually easy to analyze a system without building and it's testable and provable.
Here's an easy target to look for. Always check the to be working masses moment of inertia. It must have an increase after all energies balance. That means it has to either have an increase in it's velocity, or mass, in addition to the normal work and reset - balance - of the system. I know it sounds obvious but mechanisms can be illusionary and can make you overlook this. The work involved in an analysis is knowing what should be checked to see if there really is an increase in a moment of inertia, which can be a little time consuming. Tell you what Steve, this might make it easier for everyone. You can be vague in your description, of a particular area, I do need a slight description, it would help me only to understand what law you need to regard, and then I will tell you what law or rule you will need to use to take a good look at that part of the system and I will put it in a way that is clear to follow and understand.
Ralph I'm not sure of your post.
Nice try Michael, but you have already seen as much about it as Steve has posted, as well as anyone else on this forum who has read "Steves Street".
There is no "nice try" as you are implying Ralph, it is a legitimate offer of help.
I believe that I also am capable of saving him months of work. If need be I am prepared to put months of work into it. To my knowledge James and I are the only ones fully aware of the concept.
Saving months by doing months of work? Your right that you and James are the only ones who know fully how it works, which makes your following statement/s a little irrelevant;
I have not heard or seen of anyone else on this forum with the aptitude or perception to figure it out, and imply as such.
If you could tell him in under an hour, why did you not do so almost or better than two months ago?
Where as Steve was not aware of what he posted I do not believe you would save him months working on something that he was not fully working on in the first place.
Etc.
Anyway Ralph it's obvious you feel close to this concept so though I'm not trying to step on your toes and take anything away from you I apologize.
For Steve,
When you look past the hope of wanting to find a free energy device the normal illusions that hold your imagination fall away. It's actually easy to analyze a system without building and it's testable and provable.
Here's an easy target to look for. Always check the to be working masses moment of inertia. It must have an increase after all energies balance. That means it has to either have an increase in it's velocity, or mass, in addition to the normal work and reset - balance - of the system. I know it sounds obvious but mechanisms can be illusionary and can make you overlook this. The work involved in an analysis is knowing what should be checked to see if there really is an increase in a moment of inertia, which can be a little time consuming. Tell you what Steve, this might make it easier for everyone. You can be vague in your description, of a particular area, I do need a slight description, it would help me only to understand what law you need to regard, and then I will tell you what law or rule you will need to use to take a good look at that part of the system and I will put it in a way that is clear to follow and understand.
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Its gets boring watching my wheel run day after day, just as boring watching the replys on here.
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Sheesh. I just joined this forum, and after reading prolly 80-90% of this thread, I sure hope there's more to this site than "I have one - no you don't" and "my integrity is bigger than yours."
I actually have some real world info, but now I'm wondering about posting it. :/
I actually have some real world info, but now I'm wondering about posting it. :/
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Mac,
welcome to the forum, and yes you did walk in at an inopportune time. I have seen domestic fights with less bickering than what is pent up on this thread. If you are up on Bessler, this is a good example of the fops that came to ridicule him.
One day you shake a mans hand as a partner and a week later to the day another trusted man of reputation is inviting him to violate that trust. Not very good manners in my book.
Oh well! I hope the dust, mud, blood, and beer, has finally settled.
Mac, if you got something to say, feel free to post it where ever you feel comfortable, If you wish to make it accessible to "members only" put it in Community Buzz. Start your on topic thread, a lot of new members do.
Being a new member, I am Sorry you opened the wrong thread for beginners. If you need assistance settling in, there are a number of fine folk here who will assist you.
Ralph
welcome to the forum, and yes you did walk in at an inopportune time. I have seen domestic fights with less bickering than what is pent up on this thread. If you are up on Bessler, this is a good example of the fops that came to ridicule him.
One day you shake a mans hand as a partner and a week later to the day another trusted man of reputation is inviting him to violate that trust. Not very good manners in my book.
Oh well! I hope the dust, mud, blood, and beer, has finally settled.
Mac, if you got something to say, feel free to post it where ever you feel comfortable, If you wish to make it accessible to "members only" put it in Community Buzz. Start your on topic thread, a lot of new members do.
Being a new member, I am Sorry you opened the wrong thread for beginners. If you need assistance settling in, there are a number of fine folk here who will assist you.
Ralph
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Ralph, what part of that comment do I resemble. ?
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Hi Gordy,
Your always good for a little humor break. As for part of a comment, I guess you would have to clarify, which comment? With that new found hair do, you remind me of Donald Sutherland after shock treatment.
Now if you were staring into your monitor while taking a PC cam picture I would say that you are a computer geek! But I know better. Although you are sitting in your desk chair, that reflection has got to be a used car commercial.
By the way, during my recent trip to Idaho I found a very restorable 1966 Chevy "10" 1/2 ton, and believe it or not, a clean 1947 Henway.
By the way Gordy, I am going in for a tune up, getting the bid Tuesday. Last one cost $92,000 for parts and $47,000.00 in Labor. That was in June of 93. 72 month battery warranty did not make the grade. I guess that is what you call 1/2 life.
Ralph
Your always good for a little humor break. As for part of a comment, I guess you would have to clarify, which comment? With that new found hair do, you remind me of Donald Sutherland after shock treatment.
Now if you were staring into your monitor while taking a PC cam picture I would say that you are a computer geek! But I know better. Although you are sitting in your desk chair, that reflection has got to be a used car commercial.
By the way, during my recent trip to Idaho I found a very restorable 1966 Chevy "10" 1/2 ton, and believe it or not, a clean 1947 Henway.
By the way Gordy, I am going in for a tune up, getting the bid Tuesday. Last one cost $92,000 for parts and $47,000.00 in Labor. That was in June of 93. 72 month battery warranty did not make the grade. I guess that is what you call 1/2 life.
Ralph