Is gravity different from a spring?

[ovyyus]

I think, Bessler did mention that overbalance is making his wheel turn...

Water can obviously make a waterwheel overbalance and turn. Is the waterwheel driven by gravity or lifted water?

[james kelly]

An overshot wheel is powered by gravity. An undershot wheel is not powered by graity.

[LustInBlack]

Ovyyus, that's my point, read my post.

[ovyyus]

Jim, aren't both driven by the force of 'lifted' water?

LustInBlack, yes.

[Mac]

Hey Ovyyus,

Is the waterwheel driven by gravity or lifted water?

Gravity has no effect on water until the water is lifted. So it is gravity's force on the lifted water that makes a water wheel turn.

In this case the water is lifted by evaporation then deposited by rain into lakes and streams. But the water level must remain above the water wheel, or gravity cannot attract it to a lower position. Just like weights.

Mac

[ovyyus]

In this case the water is lifted by evaporation then deposited by rain into lakes and streams.

Then the energy source that lifted the water up into the high lakes and streams is our Sun. Gravity contributes zero energy to the process. A waterwheel harnessing the flow of a stream is being driven by the Sun. Gravity can not, apparently, lift.

[LustInBlack]

Mac, in that case it's Heat and gravity, otherwise it would stop when water is used up.


IF somehow, the besslerwheel is using heat as a fuel, then the result is the same anyways, it did produce excess energy during many days using that source of power.

However, RPM was constant, I doubt it was heat. Maybe I am wrong, or maybe it wasn't measured, but I believe RPM would change because of change in temperature, it seems it wasn't the case! .

However, gravity is constant.. To me, it suggests a mechanism driven by gravity, because the parts did move from point A to point B inside, driven by gravity, which is constant and that caused a constant time interval for their displacement.

In any case, the source of power did produce the same amount of power from day 1 to day X ..

That source of power must have been constant.. (If the RPM was measured that is) .

[Mac]

Gravity can not, apparently, lift.

Well that depends on the application. A water wheel can run a pump that will provide "lift", but not in the amount that is falling onto the wheel.

Mac

[Mac]

Mac, in that case it's Heat and gravity, otherwise it would stop when water is used up.

Exactly.

But I thought we were discussing the force of gravity, and it doesn't care how the water gets "lifted". ;)

Mac

[ovyyus]

Mac, your pump is being driven by the waterwheel which is being driven by water which has been lifted by solar heating. Gavity can not lift.

[LustInBlack]

Mac, well in a sense you speak the truth..

Gravity pulls water down .. Water is transferring it's kinetic energy on the waterwheel, which turns.

Water is a medium for gravity to act onto.

I think, our society would say, water is the fuel .
When that fuel is used up, gravity have nothing to act onto .

Which brings me to another point .. If a mechanism is replacing that water, and gravity activates that mechanism, then the only fuel left is wear.. Parts moving on other parts.. Mechanism being the medium.

[Mac]

Mac, your pump is being driven by the waterwheel which is being driven by water which has been lifted by solar heating. Gavity can not lift.

Lol, ok if that's how you want to look at it. But gravity is what releases the potential energy that is stored in the water that is lifted by the sun.

Without gravity the water wheel won't turn. :D

Mac

[EDIT] Lol, you guys are faster posters than I am.

[scott]

And gravity is the reason for the sun's power in the first place.

[Mac]

Which brings me to another point .. If a mechanism is replacing that water, and gravity activates that mechanism, then the only fuel left is wear.. Parts moving on other parts.. Mechanism being the medium.

Sorry, but I have no idea what this means. "Wear" is a fuel?

Mac

[Mac]

And gravity is the reason for the sun's power in the first place.

Lol, yeah but just try to market solar cells as gravity devices... :D

Mac