I don't think such a scheme will work. Easy enough to build one I suppose and know 100% for sure but my feeling is the device suffers from symmetry thus no net output.
Kirk
gravity devices work (anti gravity rant as well with patents)
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re: gravity devices work (anti gravity rant as well with pat
Not knowing is not the problem. It is the knowing of what just isn't so.
It is our responsibilities, not ourselves,that we should take seriously.
It is our responsibilities, not ourselves,that we should take seriously.
re: gravity devices work (anti gravity rant as well with pat
that will defenitely not work...
"A man with a new idea is a crank until he succeeds."~ M. Twain.
re: gravity devices work (anti gravity rant as well with pat
I thought you had to show a working model to get a patent?
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United States Patent Application 20040195838
Kind Code A1
Tomas, Alejandro October 7, 2004
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Autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator
Abstract
SUBJECT OF THE INVENTION: This descriptive report refers to an invention patent application. The invention is an autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator, whose purpose is to function as a totally autonomous alternator,
without the need to be used or driven by other auxiliary means, such as petrol
or diesel internal combustion engines, gas or coal-fired turbines, nuclear power
plants, etc. Being completely autonomous, the invention doesn't require any
fossil fuels and it doesn't pollute or produce waste of any kind.
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Inventors: Tomas, Alejandro; (Barcelona, ES)
Correspondence Name and Address: ALEJANDRO TOMAS
SARDENYA 100 BAJOS
BARCELONA
08018
ES
Serial No.: 629836
Series Code: 10
Filed: July 30, 2003
U.S. Current Class: 290/1R
U.S. Class at Publication: 290/001.00R
Intern'l Class: H02P 009/04
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Foreign Application Data
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Date Code Application Number
Apr 7, 2003 ES P200300921
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Claims
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1. An autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator, which is distinguished
by being made up of a principal axle (1), high inertia rotor (2), fixing nut
(3), support bearing (4), high lateral inertia stabilisers and induction fields
(5), low lateral inertia stabilisers and induction fields (5'), upper (6) and
lower (6') electromagnetic coils, circular magnetic rings with variable polarity
(7) and (7'), axle-housing chassis and upper fixing (8), principal alternator
and dynamotor pinions (9), loose intermediate pinions (10), loose-pinion
axle-housing chassis (11), dynamotor (12), dynamotor pinion (13), intermediate
loose pinions (14), principal alternator (15), principal axle alternator (15'),
levitation base plates (16) of the principal alternator (1), magnetic rings
(17), (17'), (18) and (18'), chassis plates (19) and (19'), low inertia rotor
(20), threaded closure ring (21) from the principal axle (1) to the chassis,
fixing nut (22), bearing-housing separator (23), bearings (24) of the principal
axle (1), central pinion (25) and (26) of the axle in the upper and lower parts
respectively, axles (27), (27'), (27") and (27'") of the upper and lower
intermediate loose pinions, lateral emergency bearings (28) and (28'), and
bearings (29) for the needles for guiding the principal axle (1).
2. Autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator, in accordance with the
above features, distinguished by the dynamotor (12) being responsible for
bringing the alternator into operation, having two traction pinions at its
outlet (9) and (13), which are responsible for moving the intermediate pinions
(10) and (14), which in turn are responsible for moving the pinions (25) and
(26) of the principal axle (1), creating movement in the upper (2) and lower
(22) rotors, so when the central axle receives the movement from the dynamotor
(12) there is a movement transmission to the pinions (10) and (14) that are
configured as loose intermediate pinions on the side of the alternator, engaging
with the outlet pinions (9) and (19) of the principal alternator (15).
3. Autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator, in accordance with the
above-mentioned features, distinguished by the turning of the rotors (2) and
(20) at the revolution rate required by the coils (6) and (6'), causing the
disconnection of the dynamotor (12), with the dynamotor (12) changing function
and beginning to operate as an electric generator, together with the principal
alternator (15).
4. Autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator, in accordance with the
above-mentioned features, distinguished by the principal rotors (2) and (20)
being designed for the fitting of electromagnets (7) and (7') in the upper
section, and the fitting of electromagnets (37) and (37') in the lower section.
5. Autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator, in accordance with the
above-mentioned features, distinguished by the spherical units (5) and (5')
located on the periphery of the rotors (2) and (20'); these spherical units
enter the magnetic fields produced by the coils (6) and (6') in order to move
the rotors (2) and (20).
6. Autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator, in accordance with the
above-mentioned features, distinguished by the dynamotor (12) and the alternator
(15) being fitted with two fixing and inertia plates (16), on which
electromagnets (17) and (17') are fitted, working against the two electromagnets
(18) and (18').
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Description
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[0001] The invention for which the patent application is being made is an
autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator, whose main characteristic
lies in its totally autonomous functioning, without the need to be driven by
other auxiliary means, such as (as an indication rather than in quantitative
terms) internal combustion engines driven by petrol, diesel or producer gas,
hydraulic turbines driven by steam produced from gas or coal, nuclear power
plants, or any method that provides motive force, such as solar energy, etc.
[0002] There is a patent claim for the upper and lower electromagnetic coils, as
well as the circular magnetic rings with variable polarity in the upper and
lower chassis, with an upper axle-housing chassis, upper fixing, dynamotor,
principal alternator and intermediate loose pinions, with upper and lower
stabilisers, as well as lateral inertia stabilisers and induction field.
[0003] The alternator herein described does not produce any pollution.
DESCRIPTION OF THE INVENTION
[0004] The autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator proposed by this
invention is based on the combination of mechanical and electromotive forces
from magnetic fields and the levitation of rotors in a horizontal position. This
means that the rotors, being above the chassis itself, avoid any rubbing or
angular movements; this provides homogeneous operation and gathers the maximum
amount of mechanical force from the principal rotors, thereby obtaining
electrical energy.
[0005] To be more specific, the autonomous electrogravitational energy
alternator of this invention is based on a principal axle, with a fixing nut and
a support bearing, and high and low lateral inertia stabilisers and induction
fields.
[0006] The invention incorporates electromagnetic coils, as well as magnetic
circular rings with variable polarity in the upper and lower chassis, with an
axle-housing chassis and an upper fixing, principal alternator and dynamotor
pinions, and loose intermediate pinions; this provides a loose-pinion axle
chassis and a dynamotor with a dynamotor pinion and intermediate loose pinions.
[0007] The invention has a principal alternator with its corresponding axle, as
well as some levitation base plates, which pertain to the aforementioned
principal alternator, with variable-field magnetic rings within the alternator
base plates and dynamotor, as well as intermediate axle-housing chassis plates
and fixings for all the elements.
[0008] Finally, it should be mentioned that the invention is fitted with a low
inertia rotor, a threaded closure ring from the principal axle to the chassis, a
fixing nut, a bearing-hosing separator in the principal rotor and several
bearings in the principal axle, two central axle pinions in the upper section,
the axles of the upper and lower loose intermediate pinions, emergency lateral
bearings and bearings for the needles for guiding the principal axle.
DESCRIPTION OF THE DRAWINGS
[0009] To complement this description, and with the aim of helping towards a
better understanding of the characteristics of the invention, attached with this
report are some diagrams which illustrate the following:
[0010] FIG. 1.--This corresponds to a view of a lateral elevation of the
invention (autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator).
SET-UP OF THE INVENTION
[0011] From FIG. 1 it is possible to see how the proposed autonomous
electrogravitational energy alternator is made up around a dynamotor (12) which
is responsible for bringing the whole unit into operation. This is outlined
below:
[0012] The dynamotor (12) is fitted with two traction pinions (9) and (13) at
its outlet which are responsible for moving the intermediate pinions (10) and
(14), which in turn are responsible for moving the pinions (25) and (26) of the
principal axle (1), bringing about movement in the high (2) and low (22) rotors.
[0013] When the principal axle (1) receives this movement from the dynamotor
(12), it transmits movement to the pinions (10) and (14), which are configured
as intermediate loose pinions located on the side of the alternator, engaging
with the outlet pinions (9) and (19) the pinions of the principal alternator
(15).
[0014] With the turning of the rotors (2) and (20) set to the rate of
revolutions required by the coils (6) and (6'), the dynamotor switches off. The
dynamotor (12) then changes function and begins to operate as an electric
generator, together with the principal alternator (15), thus creating energy
that is free to be used.
[0015] To prevent rubbing, in the principal rotors (2) and (20) there are
electromagnets (7) and (7') fitted in the upper section, configured as two
pairs, with two more pairs (37) and (37') in the lower section; these are
responsible for levitating the whole central unit.
[0016] The spherical units (5) and (5') located on the periphery of the rotors
(2) and (20) are responsible for entering the magnetic fields produced by the
coils (6) and (6') in order to move the rotors (2) and (20), with these
movements being in a pentagonal form of units with 90.degree. angles and cosines
of pi of 40.degree., creating a perfect turn and fully exploiting the inertia.
[0017] Both the dynamotor (12) and the alternator (15) have two fixing and
inertia plates (16) for the installation of two electromagnets (17) and (17'),
which work against the two electromagnets (18) and (18), which in turn are
responsible for levitating the alternator (15) and the dynamotor (12).
[0018] As a consequence, both in the rotors (2) and (0) and the lower fixing
plates (16) and (16'), the installation of the electromagnets (17) and (17'), as
well as the electromagnets (18) and (18'), means that there are forces of
repulsion present, which results in the levitation of the rotors (2) and (20),
the dynamotor (12) and the alternator (15), all governed by the law of gravity.
[0019] In summary, the movement of the principal rotors (2) and (20), which are
responsible for producing a sufficient level of inertia over the alternators
(15) and the dynamotor (12), generates a movement that can be harnessed and
transformed into electrical energy.
[0020] The invention allows for the possibility of adding elements to the
machine or removing them, depending on the energy calculation that is carried
out.
[0021] The following elements make up the machine:
[0022] Principal axle (1),
[0023] High inertia rotor (2),
[0024] Fixing nut (3),
[0025] Support bearing (4),
[0026] High lateral inertia stabilisers and induction fields (5),
[0027] Low lateral inertia stabilisers and induction fields (5')
[0028] Upper electromagnetic coils (6),
[0029] Lower electromagnetic coils (6'),
[0030] Circular magnetic ring with variable polarity in the upper and lower
chassis (7), (7'), (37) and (37'),
[0031] Axle-housing chassis and upper fixing (8),
[0032] Dynamotor and principal alternator pinions (9),
[0033] Intermediate loose pinions (10),
[0034] Loose pinion axle-housing chassis (11),
[0035] Dynamotor (12),
[0036] Dynamotor pinion (13),
[0037] Intermediate loose pinions (14),
[0038] Principal alternator (15),
[0039] Principal axle alternator (15'),
[0040] Levitation base plates (16) of the principal alternator (15),
[0041] Variable-field magnetic rings (17') of the base plates (16) of the
alternator (15) and dynamotor (12),
[0042] Magnetic rings (18) and (18') of the base plates (16) and (16') in the
chassis of the alternator (15) and dynamotor (12),
[0043] Intermediate chassis plates (19) and (19') between the axle-housing and
the fixings of all elements,
[0044] Low inertia rotor (20),
[0045] Threaded closure ring (21) from the principal axle (1) to the chassis,
[0046] Fixing nut (22),
[0047] Separator (23) of the bearing housing of the low rotor,
[0048] Bearings (24) of the principal axle (1),
[0049] Central pinion (25) and (26) of the axle in the upper and lower parts
respectively,
[0050] Axles (27) and (27') of the upper and lower intermediate loose pinions,
[0051] Lateral bearings (28), (28'), (28") and (28'"), as well as bearings (29)
and needles for guiding the principal axle (1).
United States Patent Application 20040195838
Kind Code A1
Tomas, Alejandro October 7, 2004
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Autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator
Abstract
SUBJECT OF THE INVENTION: This descriptive report refers to an invention patent application. The invention is an autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator, whose purpose is to function as a totally autonomous alternator,
without the need to be used or driven by other auxiliary means, such as petrol
or diesel internal combustion engines, gas or coal-fired turbines, nuclear power
plants, etc. Being completely autonomous, the invention doesn't require any
fossil fuels and it doesn't pollute or produce waste of any kind.
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Inventors: Tomas, Alejandro; (Barcelona, ES)
Correspondence Name and Address: ALEJANDRO TOMAS
SARDENYA 100 BAJOS
BARCELONA
08018
ES
Serial No.: 629836
Series Code: 10
Filed: July 30, 2003
U.S. Current Class: 290/1R
U.S. Class at Publication: 290/001.00R
Intern'l Class: H02P 009/04
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Foreign Application Data
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Date Code Application Number
Apr 7, 2003 ES P200300921
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Claims
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1. An autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator, which is distinguished
by being made up of a principal axle (1), high inertia rotor (2), fixing nut
(3), support bearing (4), high lateral inertia stabilisers and induction fields
(5), low lateral inertia stabilisers and induction fields (5'), upper (6) and
lower (6') electromagnetic coils, circular magnetic rings with variable polarity
(7) and (7'), axle-housing chassis and upper fixing (8), principal alternator
and dynamotor pinions (9), loose intermediate pinions (10), loose-pinion
axle-housing chassis (11), dynamotor (12), dynamotor pinion (13), intermediate
loose pinions (14), principal alternator (15), principal axle alternator (15'),
levitation base plates (16) of the principal alternator (1), magnetic rings
(17), (17'), (18) and (18'), chassis plates (19) and (19'), low inertia rotor
(20), threaded closure ring (21) from the principal axle (1) to the chassis,
fixing nut (22), bearing-housing separator (23), bearings (24) of the principal
axle (1), central pinion (25) and (26) of the axle in the upper and lower parts
respectively, axles (27), (27'), (27") and (27'") of the upper and lower
intermediate loose pinions, lateral emergency bearings (28) and (28'), and
bearings (29) for the needles for guiding the principal axle (1).
2. Autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator, in accordance with the
above features, distinguished by the dynamotor (12) being responsible for
bringing the alternator into operation, having two traction pinions at its
outlet (9) and (13), which are responsible for moving the intermediate pinions
(10) and (14), which in turn are responsible for moving the pinions (25) and
(26) of the principal axle (1), creating movement in the upper (2) and lower
(22) rotors, so when the central axle receives the movement from the dynamotor
(12) there is a movement transmission to the pinions (10) and (14) that are
configured as loose intermediate pinions on the side of the alternator, engaging
with the outlet pinions (9) and (19) of the principal alternator (15).
3. Autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator, in accordance with the
above-mentioned features, distinguished by the turning of the rotors (2) and
(20) at the revolution rate required by the coils (6) and (6'), causing the
disconnection of the dynamotor (12), with the dynamotor (12) changing function
and beginning to operate as an electric generator, together with the principal
alternator (15).
4. Autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator, in accordance with the
above-mentioned features, distinguished by the principal rotors (2) and (20)
being designed for the fitting of electromagnets (7) and (7') in the upper
section, and the fitting of electromagnets (37) and (37') in the lower section.
5. Autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator, in accordance with the
above-mentioned features, distinguished by the spherical units (5) and (5')
located on the periphery of the rotors (2) and (20'); these spherical units
enter the magnetic fields produced by the coils (6) and (6') in order to move
the rotors (2) and (20).
6. Autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator, in accordance with the
above-mentioned features, distinguished by the dynamotor (12) and the alternator
(15) being fitted with two fixing and inertia plates (16), on which
electromagnets (17) and (17') are fitted, working against the two electromagnets
(18) and (18').
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Description
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[0001] The invention for which the patent application is being made is an
autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator, whose main characteristic
lies in its totally autonomous functioning, without the need to be driven by
other auxiliary means, such as (as an indication rather than in quantitative
terms) internal combustion engines driven by petrol, diesel or producer gas,
hydraulic turbines driven by steam produced from gas or coal, nuclear power
plants, or any method that provides motive force, such as solar energy, etc.
[0002] There is a patent claim for the upper and lower electromagnetic coils, as
well as the circular magnetic rings with variable polarity in the upper and
lower chassis, with an upper axle-housing chassis, upper fixing, dynamotor,
principal alternator and intermediate loose pinions, with upper and lower
stabilisers, as well as lateral inertia stabilisers and induction field.
[0003] The alternator herein described does not produce any pollution.
DESCRIPTION OF THE INVENTION
[0004] The autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator proposed by this
invention is based on the combination of mechanical and electromotive forces
from magnetic fields and the levitation of rotors in a horizontal position. This
means that the rotors, being above the chassis itself, avoid any rubbing or
angular movements; this provides homogeneous operation and gathers the maximum
amount of mechanical force from the principal rotors, thereby obtaining
electrical energy.
[0005] To be more specific, the autonomous electrogravitational energy
alternator of this invention is based on a principal axle, with a fixing nut and
a support bearing, and high and low lateral inertia stabilisers and induction
fields.
[0006] The invention incorporates electromagnetic coils, as well as magnetic
circular rings with variable polarity in the upper and lower chassis, with an
axle-housing chassis and an upper fixing, principal alternator and dynamotor
pinions, and loose intermediate pinions; this provides a loose-pinion axle
chassis and a dynamotor with a dynamotor pinion and intermediate loose pinions.
[0007] The invention has a principal alternator with its corresponding axle, as
well as some levitation base plates, which pertain to the aforementioned
principal alternator, with variable-field magnetic rings within the alternator
base plates and dynamotor, as well as intermediate axle-housing chassis plates
and fixings for all the elements.
[0008] Finally, it should be mentioned that the invention is fitted with a low
inertia rotor, a threaded closure ring from the principal axle to the chassis, a
fixing nut, a bearing-hosing separator in the principal rotor and several
bearings in the principal axle, two central axle pinions in the upper section,
the axles of the upper and lower loose intermediate pinions, emergency lateral
bearings and bearings for the needles for guiding the principal axle.
DESCRIPTION OF THE DRAWINGS
[0009] To complement this description, and with the aim of helping towards a
better understanding of the characteristics of the invention, attached with this
report are some diagrams which illustrate the following:
[0010] FIG. 1.--This corresponds to a view of a lateral elevation of the
invention (autonomous electrogravitational energy alternator).
SET-UP OF THE INVENTION
[0011] From FIG. 1 it is possible to see how the proposed autonomous
electrogravitational energy alternator is made up around a dynamotor (12) which
is responsible for bringing the whole unit into operation. This is outlined
below:
[0012] The dynamotor (12) is fitted with two traction pinions (9) and (13) at
its outlet which are responsible for moving the intermediate pinions (10) and
(14), which in turn are responsible for moving the pinions (25) and (26) of the
principal axle (1), bringing about movement in the high (2) and low (22) rotors.
[0013] When the principal axle (1) receives this movement from the dynamotor
(12), it transmits movement to the pinions (10) and (14), which are configured
as intermediate loose pinions located on the side of the alternator, engaging
with the outlet pinions (9) and (19) the pinions of the principal alternator
(15).
[0014] With the turning of the rotors (2) and (20) set to the rate of
revolutions required by the coils (6) and (6'), the dynamotor switches off. The
dynamotor (12) then changes function and begins to operate as an electric
generator, together with the principal alternator (15), thus creating energy
that is free to be used.
[0015] To prevent rubbing, in the principal rotors (2) and (20) there are
electromagnets (7) and (7') fitted in the upper section, configured as two
pairs, with two more pairs (37) and (37') in the lower section; these are
responsible for levitating the whole central unit.
[0016] The spherical units (5) and (5') located on the periphery of the rotors
(2) and (20) are responsible for entering the magnetic fields produced by the
coils (6) and (6') in order to move the rotors (2) and (20), with these
movements being in a pentagonal form of units with 90.degree. angles and cosines
of pi of 40.degree., creating a perfect turn and fully exploiting the inertia.
[0017] Both the dynamotor (12) and the alternator (15) have two fixing and
inertia plates (16) for the installation of two electromagnets (17) and (17'),
which work against the two electromagnets (18) and (18), which in turn are
responsible for levitating the alternator (15) and the dynamotor (12).
[0018] As a consequence, both in the rotors (2) and (0) and the lower fixing
plates (16) and (16'), the installation of the electromagnets (17) and (17'), as
well as the electromagnets (18) and (18'), means that there are forces of
repulsion present, which results in the levitation of the rotors (2) and (20),
the dynamotor (12) and the alternator (15), all governed by the law of gravity.
[0019] In summary, the movement of the principal rotors (2) and (20), which are
responsible for producing a sufficient level of inertia over the alternators
(15) and the dynamotor (12), generates a movement that can be harnessed and
transformed into electrical energy.
[0020] The invention allows for the possibility of adding elements to the
machine or removing them, depending on the energy calculation that is carried
out.
[0021] The following elements make up the machine:
[0022] Principal axle (1),
[0023] High inertia rotor (2),
[0024] Fixing nut (3),
[0025] Support bearing (4),
[0026] High lateral inertia stabilisers and induction fields (5),
[0027] Low lateral inertia stabilisers and induction fields (5')
[0028] Upper electromagnetic coils (6),
[0029] Lower electromagnetic coils (6'),
[0030] Circular magnetic ring with variable polarity in the upper and lower
chassis (7), (7'), (37) and (37'),
[0031] Axle-housing chassis and upper fixing (8),
[0032] Dynamotor and principal alternator pinions (9),
[0033] Intermediate loose pinions (10),
[0034] Loose pinion axle-housing chassis (11),
[0035] Dynamotor (12),
[0036] Dynamotor pinion (13),
[0037] Intermediate loose pinions (14),
[0038] Principal alternator (15),
[0039] Principal axle alternator (15'),
[0040] Levitation base plates (16) of the principal alternator (15),
[0041] Variable-field magnetic rings (17') of the base plates (16) of the
alternator (15) and dynamotor (12),
[0042] Magnetic rings (18) and (18') of the base plates (16) and (16') in the
chassis of the alternator (15) and dynamotor (12),
[0043] Intermediate chassis plates (19) and (19') between the axle-housing and
the fixings of all elements,
[0044] Low inertia rotor (20),
[0045] Threaded closure ring (21) from the principal axle (1) to the chassis,
[0046] Fixing nut (22),
[0047] Separator (23) of the bearing housing of the low rotor,
[0048] Bearings (24) of the principal axle (1),
[0049] Central pinion (25) and (26) of the axle in the upper and lower parts
respectively,
[0050] Axles (27) and (27') of the upper and lower intermediate loose pinions,
[0051] Lateral bearings (28), (28'), (28") and (28'"), as well as bearings (29)
and needles for guiding the principal axle (1).
Re: re: gravity devices work (anti gravity rant as well with
Imo, If you did "show" a working model you would definitely not get a patent...Trev wrote:I thought you had to show a working model to get a patent?
Trev.
we all know where I am going with that...
"A man with a new idea is a crank until he succeeds."~ M. Twain.
re: gravity devices work (anti gravity rant as well with pat
Anyone up for a little antigravity tonight? off topic
One thing for sure is the ladies look light enough to float in mid air.
http://www.americanantigravity.com/airboard.shtml
One thing for sure is the ladies look light enough to float in mid air.
http://www.americanantigravity.com/airboard.shtml
JB Wheeler
it exists I think I found it.
it exists I think I found it.
re: gravity devices work (anti gravity rant as well with pat
The hover disc is cute, but I don't consider this to be any kind of anti gravity technology. The downward force of the air stream is equal to the weight of the craft and rider. Nothing negated here. No mass reduction. Some plywood, an inner tube, and some high powered leaf blowers can accomplish the same effect in your garage. If this could be reduced to a pair of hover boots, now that would be impressive.
As for the electrogravitic fraga cala listic lolli-pop motor, I think this patent has been posted on this board before and was keelled dead by the gravidogs in minutes flat. I would have to agree with that conclusion, it just won't work (as illustrated, at least). I think JB (with a wink and a nod) would also agree.
This is not to say that this general concept couldn't be part of the overall mechanism. Like so many other concepts, it may be on the right track, and just missing the caboose.
PIMAN
As for the electrogravitic fraga cala listic lolli-pop motor, I think this patent has been posted on this board before and was keelled dead by the gravidogs in minutes flat. I would have to agree with that conclusion, it just won't work (as illustrated, at least). I think JB (with a wink and a nod) would also agree.
This is not to say that this general concept couldn't be part of the overall mechanism. Like so many other concepts, it may be on the right track, and just missing the caboose.
PIMAN
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re: gravity devices work (anti gravity rant as well with pat
epistemologicide
I've been looking for Pat No 6,237,342 for about two months after I lost its class/subclass for searching. I'd like to see how jim_mich can dismiss this invention. It seems to have everything a Bessler Wheel would need.
I've been looking for Pat No 6,237,342 for about two months after I lost its class/subclass for searching. I'd like to see how jim_mich can dismiss this invention. It seems to have everything a Bessler Wheel would need.
re: gravity devices work (anti gravity rant as well with pat
Jim Williams
I had no problem going right to patenet #6,237,342 it is at:
link to patent
This model with picture has been discussed on this forum in the past. jim_mich can dismiss this invention with ease, just as I can after being convinced the hard way!
I have built this machine, more than once. I even came up with an adjustuble incrimental ramp and tried all sort of deviations such as start point, attack angle and slide ratios. All failed miserably, It works better with only one sliding lever/weights after a good push than with two. Any more and it is completly useless.
limit the slide action to a minute amount and you have an almost balanced wheel that will spin for a few rotations. But that is inertia and it will not create any kinetic energy.
I might add that if you move the slider from intersecting the axis outward about 2" putting it at a right angle to the axle it will show more promise and will actually accelerate as it crowns 12:00 but it still is not a runner.
Ralph
I had no problem going right to patenet #6,237,342 it is at:
link to patent
This model with picture has been discussed on this forum in the past. jim_mich can dismiss this invention with ease, just as I can after being convinced the hard way!
I have built this machine, more than once. I even came up with an adjustuble incrimental ramp and tried all sort of deviations such as start point, attack angle and slide ratios. All failed miserably, It works better with only one sliding lever/weights after a good push than with two. Any more and it is completly useless.
limit the slide action to a minute amount and you have an almost balanced wheel that will spin for a few rotations. But that is inertia and it will not create any kinetic energy.
I might add that if you move the slider from intersecting the axis outward about 2" putting it at a right angle to the axle it will show more promise and will actually accelerate as it crowns 12:00 but it still is not a runner.
Ralph
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riortie
Thank you for your information, you saved me a lot of unessissary work. I have a couple of inventors I'm going to ask about their working models' just to see if they have such things available for all to see. That would help. I'm still going to SFSU to talk to engineering professors about this whole thing with a couple of other patents. I contacted the inventor of both, but he had passed away. Those patents are 5,009,069 and 5,263,322. If they work as he claims he was really onto something. Jim_mich had a brief look at them and saw how part of one of them would work, but that part was not a gravity motor at all. The gravity motor parts of them remain unaddressed by anyone other than the Patent Office.
I still wonder how these inventors get past the Patent Examiners with such relative ease. That just isn't as easy as it would seem. I'd hate to be an inventor without a working model, nor can I imagine why anyone would bother. Who wants to be known by an invention that doesn't work. My single, unrelated patented invention (3,200,421) does work, but it dangerous as hell.
Jim Williams
Thank you for your information, you saved me a lot of unessissary work. I have a couple of inventors I'm going to ask about their working models' just to see if they have such things available for all to see. That would help. I'm still going to SFSU to talk to engineering professors about this whole thing with a couple of other patents. I contacted the inventor of both, but he had passed away. Those patents are 5,009,069 and 5,263,322. If they work as he claims he was really onto something. Jim_mich had a brief look at them and saw how part of one of them would work, but that part was not a gravity motor at all. The gravity motor parts of them remain unaddressed by anyone other than the Patent Office.
I still wonder how these inventors get past the Patent Examiners with such relative ease. That just isn't as easy as it would seem. I'd hate to be an inventor without a working model, nor can I imagine why anyone would bother. Who wants to be known by an invention that doesn't work. My single, unrelated patented invention (3,200,421) does work, but it dangerous as hell.
Jim Williams
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Jim W.
You seem to go back to the same question. Some times things that don't work get patents issued to them. We may not like it, but it's a fact of life.
Tom C.
You seem to go back to the same question. Some times things that don't work get patents issued to them. We may not like it, but it's a fact of life.
Tom C.
"I have done so much, for so long, with so little... I can do anything with nothing." -USNMCB-4
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Tom C.
I'm in that unpleasant contradiction between accepting all gravity motor patents don't work and knowing American utility patents need work before being issued. While it may be true that none do work, I lack the expertise to dismiss them all. As a result, I'm seeking outside opinions from those who are going to know before me. That's all.
I'm in that unpleasant contradiction between accepting all gravity motor patents don't work and knowing American utility patents need work before being issued. While it may be true that none do work, I lack the expertise to dismiss them all. As a result, I'm seeking outside opinions from those who are going to know before me. That's all.