New guy, new idea?

[bluesgtr44]

Thanks Ralph...annnnnnd, the coffee kicked in. The CpF of this would be the weight exerting itself against the rim due to CF, thus the rim is attached to the center...yawwwwn. I'm waking up now!


Steve

[rlortie]

Michael

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Ralph ALL forces are paired. I say this to you because you cannot overcome one force with its pair, no matter how you think of augmenting it. To do so would be the same as having a one sided coin, or a true inertialess drive.

This is what we are taught and this is what is accepted! If you are one to adhere to this thinking, I can see why you publicly announced your withdrawal from researching!

First off a true inertialess drive is exactly what I am not looking for. I wish to build all the inertia I can possibly gain and structurally maintain.

Apparently if we are to believe that Bessler had a true working wheel, he overcome this well known accepted quote. I believe that you can overcome one of a paired force with augmentation. Or as Jim_Mich refers to a hybrid force.

That augmentation is what we refer to as "AM" angular motion, in alignment with gravity. If one half a pair is pivotally stationary and the other is moving, do they both still hold the same potential of inertia and or kinetic forces. I do not believe so, Cpf is still equal and CF only applys to the one in motion.

Ralph

[Michael]

This is what we are taught and this is what is accepted!

Yes Ralph, and it's up to us as sane people, and as individual researchers to challenge this statement. Is it truth, or is it just a belief? The virtue of scientists is they say - throw beliefs out the window, they are not wanted here. So the motion of scientists is the same as the independent researcher. Challenge challenge challenge. My point is, never point your finger at me and accuse me of falling alseep and letting dogma take the wheel. I won't do it, and I will never do it. The same as with the wise scientist. So the mass of them state for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. If you believe them your a fool. If you've come to realize the statement they make is fully true, you've done some work.

Apparently if we are to believe that Bessler had a true working wheel, he overcome this well known accepted quote.

And I point out your use of the word belief.

I believe that you can overcome one of a paired force with augmentation. Or as Jim_Mich refers to a hybrid force.

And again, only this time it's different, because there is nothing wrong with thinking that there might be a way to do something, but you must challenge that possible avenue, which is at the moment only a belief, with every maneuver you know to be unique and true to see how real that possible avenue really is. You don't need to build to do this. Use math.
Edit addition: You don't need to contemplate and analyze every single possible avenue as well to see if something can be true or not, thank goodness, because of symmetry, we can take the short path to major realizations.

That augmentation is what we refer to as "AM" angular motion, in alignment with gravity. If one half a pair is pivotally stationary and the other is moving, do they both still hold the same potential of inertia and or kinetic forces.

Again Ralph every force has an equal and opposite force. If your chopping things up in your wheel then those pieces must be analyzed as individual entities and not bunched together as one thing.

I do not believe so, Cpf is still equal and CF only applys to the one in motion.

Cpf is still equal to what, could you give me an example?

[rlortie]

Michael,

Cpf is still equal to what, could you give me an example?

CpF is equal to the Cf that it is retaining. my point is that a pivoting set of weights will experience the same amount of CpF on both ends of the lever. But CF is only experienced by the one doing the swinging.

Bessler stated that one was next to the rim while the other is next to the axle and then they exchanged places. To and fro. Back and forth, "AM" obviously plays a roll in this action. as well as a pivot point, whether it be a floating fulcrum or an imaginary axis.

We cannot achieve the required AM without inducing another force to offset the equality of CF-CpF. Thus we introduce the hybrid or the best of two forces.

Michael, I willingly surrender my intellectual and philosophical thought to you! Please lets not get into a debate on an issue of word terminology!

Ralph