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Michael,

Although I am deliberately attempting to cut down on the word count, it is my nature to respond to a direct question.
(Minamata disease, caused by food contaminated with mercury). which refers to emotional identification with a failed hero,
See Japanese History, legends, and plays regarding Yoshitsune Minamata involving emotional identification and is the name-sake for Minamata disease or condition of the brain.

The tragic story of Yoshitsune's life has been retold with sympathy many times in chronicles and plays. The Japanese term hogan biiki ("sympathy with the Lieutenant"), which refers to emotional identification with a failed hero, comes from one of the military titles bestowed upon Yoshitsune.
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Scott,
That is not a goal per se, it just seemed like a fair and reasonable starting point
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All in jest my good friend, I have got a long ways to go to surpass Kens word count.

By the way I do have on curious question. I mentioned that there was one long gone member who's intent was to have a thread longer than Ken's.

Looking back on your chart on page two of this topic I noted that Gene had scored 2% but the Oak cabinet maker was not listed. I am sure that he would qualify word wise to be far above Gene.

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ken_behrendt wrote: My devotion to promoting this Discussion Board in the past 20 months merits me far more consideration than this kind of shabby and unethical treatment.
Question: What other "free energy" forums do you post in, or have posted in?
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I think you all should leave Ken alone. I enjoy reading what he has to say.
I think Ken's posts show his extreem concern for solving this Bessler mystery, that is way above any egotism he may have.
I can tell, he just wants to help.
If you don't want to read him, then good. Miss out.

Warren Hammer

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JC. You said previously that it would be a few days before you knew if you had your deciphered plan all worked out and running.
It has been quite a few days since then.
This is worse than anything Ken has done or written.
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Ken wrote:give the other less productive members time to catch up with me and "level the playing field"
You are totally missing the point. This isn't a competition, it's not about who can post the most. You're assuming that we're all like you and only posting here to promote ourselves. No one else feels compelled to respond to every topic, and instead only posts when they feel they have something relevant to say. I'd like to think that if anyone else, including myself, ever, for whatever reason, got anywhere near your posting habits, then Scott would take the same action. Just because I personally don't like your 'style' of writing or attitude, doesn't mean I would want to see those members who do deprived of it. I was also a bit harsh and overcome by emotion when suggesting you have nothing to offer; there must be some good thoughts in all those posts, but you make it so hard for us to find them. Scott has given you plenty of choices to carry on posting here and I think he has handled the situation very fairly. You also have your own website which is surely your best place to write about yourself and where everyone who's interested would know exactly where to look.

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JC. You said previously that it would be a few days before you knew if you had your deciphered plan all worked out and running.
It has been quite a few days since then.
This is worse than anything Ken has done or written.
JMHO.
Ouch! I'm not sure I understand why you have written that but I guess you support Ken and that's fine. Personally I couldn't stomach any more of his ramblings but then I'm an impatient guy.

As for your comment about my own claims, it's not that simple (is it ever?) - I believe I have the solution - the concept - and it is quite different to anything I've seen anywhere else, and I do have a rough idea of how it is put together, but that is the easy bit. I've built several models with subtle variations on the same theme, but so far no go. However because I understand the basic design and am completely sure it is the solution, I hope it's only a matter of time before I get it right. I'm away for a couple of weeks so I won't be able to do any work on it 'til I return, but I am still hopeful that I will get it running before the end of the year.

What if I don't? I hear you ask. Then I'll tell all that I know in my book, which I'm also working to finish, alongside MT, and both will be available in the New Year.

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A bit off-topic but,

John, I think we are a handful that have an idea that is about the same .. I don't know much about yours, but I think we can classify those ideas as similar . .

I can't say much, but the recent post about a working concept convince me more and more that I have something too .. We are near the solution ..

If you want to contact me privately, I can share with you some ideas that I believe are very close to the solution, if not, the solution.

IF you don't want to share, that's fine, but I think we could arrange something with those who believe they have the basics and probably progress faster, but I understand the need to keep the idea secret . .

Btw, the only person that knows parts of my idea is Ralph, since I am discussing privately with him .. And I do trust him enough to share with him, I believe I am trustable too..


Back to the topic,

I think that 1712 comments about John are out of place, as his accusation on John and everybody else is the same thing he is doing right now .. !?

SO what's the point!? .

We all said that Ken have good ideas.. Just the formulation have to be corrected, and there are things that he shouldn't talk about, like : "I am god, I have fans . . ."

I think it's not asking for much.

Yes, we've been a bit harsh, why this girly fight about something not that important, stop bashing, just continue working on the damn wheel .
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John Collins wrote:Ouch! I'm not sure I understand why you have written that ...
Whatever. With a name like Warren "War" Hammer I've had a lot to live up to. LOL.

You're impatient? What about the others here with the publication of MT etc., your claims to know all? Do the other members count?

Doesn't matter. I've gotten more intersted in the possibilities myself, but I know deep down that noone will ever be able to make a self running wheel, you included.

Ken I've noticed has always been very patient and kind in his responses to criticism. He's had some good ideas and advice to add to the discussion. Scott manfully avoided to just offer a few reminders to him to lessen the strain, but instead, is attempting to legislate boundaries with word counts, and max words per day as if Ken was some kind of uncontrollable child.
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Hey that's funny. . .

I do personnally think that Ken is acting childly.
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1712 wrote:Scott manfully avoided to just offer a few reminders to him
I (and others) have been "offering reminders" to Ken for at least a year before it came to this but he refused to change. In your next post, you will take back the false accusation or be immediately banned.
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1712

When scott say's "I and others have been "offering reminders" he could not have said it better. I think the better share of members posting here have at one time or another, told Ken to cool it with the irrelevant repertoire.

Others just gave up and left. Some of those I have personal contact with in my own private mail group. They have made it perfectly clear, they left the forum because of Ken.

Your accusations of Scott are out of line, but not uncommon with your usual input to this forum. Looking at your past posts I would condone Scott for Banning you, if you do or do not make a public apology.

I find your cutting remarks of negativism toward Bessler's wheel and the members of this forum wrongfully placed. You need to join crank.net or one of Eric Kreig's forums. There you can grow in popularity and put us down with people who are of your own beliefs.

Eric knows me, I will give you a recomendation of being desirable as a none believer in gravity wheels.

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Scott, you're more patient than I with this 1712 parasite - the toilet cistern would already be re-filling if my finger was on the button ;)
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I recommend this thread be moved to the members only part of the forum. It might not be a bad idea to lock it.

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Yes, I agree with Bessler007. This topic has served its purpose. It's time to leave it.

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Part 1:

Scott wrote:
Unless I hear a good reason to think otherwise from the community, I am going to have to reject your offer
Well, quite unfortunately, that IS the final offer I am prepared to make. To effectively present my research here, I need to be me. NOT some "statistical entity" someone else thinks I am supposed to be. If I was to accept what has presently been inflicted on me, it would set a dangerous precendent that could be used to stifle or intimidate other creative Bessler researchers in the future.

I consider such things as post/word counts, green dots, etc. to be totally irrelevant to finding the solution to the mystery of Bessler's wheels.
On 7/6/06, I found, in any overbalanced gravity wheel with rotation rate, ω, axle to CG distance d, and CG dip angle φ, the average vertical velocity of its drive weights is downward and given by:

Vaver = -2(√2)πdωcosφ
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