Veljko Mikovics device, and some ideas

[epistemologicide]

Hi all, its been a while. been very busy finalising my not for profit org, and site, wil have some news next week on, that, we are going to the media wiht some devices to attract grants for a NP research and development centre dealingon our genre of technology.

cant stay long wthought i would leave you guys guessing and with some ideas, will be back sooonish with some great news.

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/

IDEAS

(not mine)

I have asked Veljko Milkovic some questions about his oscillator
and copied both of you as blind (invisible) carbon copies.

I looked at the video again and saw that he already has the idea
of using repelling magnets as springs, as well a magnet and coil on
end of lever.

I consider what he is doing to be equivalent to an unbalanced, single-
ended electrical circuit. What I am proposing is going to a balanced,
differential equivalent, along with changing the pendulum to an
unbalanced, continually turning rotor. The difference between pendulum
and rotor is great since the pendulum's kinetic and potential energies,
as well as centrifugal forces are changing continuously. Each time the
pendulum stops to swing in a different direction, its centrifugal force
drops to zero. With an unbalanced rotor, the centrifugal force always
stays at maximum.

His unbalanced, single-ended circuit needs a "ground", which is gravity.
A balanced circuit needs no "ground" or gravity. At least, so goes my
present thinking.

A balanced circuit should be able to generate twice the voltage or four
times the power of an unbalanced circuit.

In case he really does get x12 OU, a balanced circuit should get x48 OU.
If electrical to mechanical analogy is correct?


With reference to pendulums and levers, my teachings and experience tell me
this is crap. However, after watching the video I must admit it really does
appear that mechanical effort at the end of the lever does not reflect back to
the pendulum.

Every imaginative and intelligent person can immediately see various ways to
improve this device. I can think of lots of ways.

The lever end could move a magnet through a coil. I suggest a bifilar winding
with full-wave rectification by means of two power MOSFETs. Use the intrinsic
drain-source diode, but sense the polarity and turn the gates on and off such
that they short out the intrinsic diodes at the proper times. This gives you
full-wave rectification with almost no losses. This is standard practice today
and IR has many components available. MOSFETs with 7 to 15 mOhm are easily
found today. Nobody builds 3.3V power supplies anymore without using active
rectification.

Let me continue. At the same pivot point, mount two independent levers with two
independent bearings and pendulums. The pendulums will be
electronically timed and
pulsed such that they are 180 degrees out of phase. This has many advantages.
Mechanically it balances out the forces of imbalance. Also, if one
lever has the coil and
the other the magnet, the relative velocity between the two is doubled
= more power
output for same movement. Additionally, this will permanently shut
the mouths of those
imbeciles who are worried the Earth will stop turning.

But things don't have to stop here. Instead of using pendulums, why not use
unbalanced rotors? Use large NEO(s) at only one point of a rotor, turn it by
pulsing a coil and viola ! you have a pendulum which is not. It doesn't have to
reciprocate like a piston or pendulum, it just turns round and round
and does the
same as a pendulum.

So now you have two independent levers with two independent unbalanced rotors
where the rotors are locked together in a phase-locked loop, their
speed is identical,
their mechanical phase controlled 180 degrees apart by using electronics.
I suggest using two NEOs with a gap between them, N against S, as an unbalanced weight. The pulsing stator coil will pass between the two poles and
at the proper moment will give a repelling electromagnet pulse. Some splatter field recovery can be done as in the Hippy mogen. The reason to have magnets on both sides of the stator pulsing coil is to use all the coil energy and not waste half on a coil side with no magnet to push off.

Very important to notice is that the unbalanced rotor (or pendulum) has energy = m v squared. This means double the RPM increase energy 4 times. I.e. speed is more important than mass. However in a mechanical system you have speed limits, so find the best compromise.

If you need to limit physical excursions, do not use lossy springs,
use opposing-pole magnets to limit swing and also you use splatter field collection coils as with the Hippy mogen. In other words, "magnetic springs" that also give off energy.

When using 180 degrees opposed unbalanced rotors, it is possible that Earth's gravity no longer plays any role and whether the device is mounted vertically or horizontally is not important

[Kirk]

Magnetic springs can also have loss - eddy currents.

Springs can get complicated.

[ovyyus]

I think Mikovic will discover that he is making an error with his OU determinations. The outrageous OU figures should easily give him a self runner - but he obviously can't do it. IMO, just more hypotheticals and what-if's.

[Kirk]

the test of any overunity machine is will it power itself. If he can use the pumped water to excite the pendulum then he has a going machine -if not then . . . .

[Gregory]

I think Mikovic will discover that he is making an error with his OU determinations. The outrageous OU figures should easily give him a self runner - but he obviously can't do it. IMO, just more hypotheticals and what-if's.

the test of any overunity machine is will it power itself. If he can use the pumped water to excite the pendulum then he has a going machine -if not then . . . .

Well said on this board! :-)
It is a good experiment to start searching for a path, but not OU.

[epistemologicide]

arm chair sketicism with out building never taught any body any thing
add that to the quotes if you want

check out his device on the bottom page...

http://www.rexresearch.com/milkovic/milkovic.htm

[MrTim]

So how much is he asking for to complete his devices/experiments...?

[Kirk]

Maybe I am missing something in the analysis but symmetry gets you every time.

[ovyyus]

arm chair sketicism with out building never taught any body any thing

So, pushing your arm chair belief that this thing is OU - without building anything - must be the way to go then? Talk about talk is even cheaper than talk.

[iacob alex]

Hi!

I received a short message from Prof Milkovic about a new movie.

So,"bad" news for skeptics,you can find at: http://www.micropixel.biz/veljkomilkovi ... tation.wmv

All the Bests! / Alex

[Fletcher]

Alex .. it uses CF at the bottom of the swing to change the torque on the balance beam. CF is the result of gravity & inertia which he mentions quite a lot.

It is an interesting experiment but it begs the question (already said here many times). Since the movement is reciprocal why not connect the hammer to a crank & flywheel & have that then energize the pendulum swing each stroke, either by direct contact (would be hard to synchronize) or by compressing/setting a spring to pulse the pendulum ?

I see he is going to try electronic linkages rather than straight mechanical ones. A true mechanical feedback system would be very good proof that the energy output was greater than the input as he suggests it is. Using electronics may well be more efficient but will leave himself open for criticism as it will probably need the all to familiar "battery" to close the system, which we see so often.

Other than that, its pretty impressive.

[iacob alex]

Hi!
The problem is before us,on the table:we have a strange source of energy,but how can we collect it?
Nobody knows,because we have no theory.
As Prof Milkovic said,only experiments can show the way.
Here is a charming asymmetry of the pendular motion...

All the Bests! / Alex

[Jeff L.]

Brian Berrett has invented a generator using Milkovic's device which is well worth checking out. Description and photos are at

http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Milkovi ... _Generator


Jeff L.

[iacob alex]

Hi !

So,we have the power source,and the problem is our connection to it.

There can be ,as Fletcher said "using electronics...that is open for criticism" or with "a true mechanical feedback system...a very good proof that the energy output was greater than the input".

This mechanical feedback system is the key-point.In theory there are many rules,but nothing beats experience.The open way seems to be,again,the practice only.

I suggested to Prof Milkovic to use slow pendular motion/a counterweighted pendulum and a full(up-down) fall of it.

If you replace the pendulum in the Milkovic's arrangement with your "toy"/Bessler's close inquiry type,and put this in motion,it's possible to obtain some new effects.

All the Bests! / Alex

[pstroud]

Fletcher stated:

It is an interesting experiment but it begs the question (already said here many times). Since the movement is reciprocal why not connect the hammer to a crank & flywheel & have that then energize the pendulum swing each stroke, either by direct contact (would be hard to synchronize) or by compressing/setting a spring to pulse the pendulum ?

Alex / Fletcher - It does seem that a self-contained continuous motion device could be developed based on the discovery that Mikovic has.

From the first time I saw his device, I immediatly imagined the output driving the input like Fletcher is also stating above. I also imagined using two of these where as the output of one would drive drive the input of the second and the output of the second would drive the input of the first. Like a 69er :)

Preston.