alternative approach

[gavin]

Hello all, just thought i'd run this by the community. I'm about a year into my bessler facination and it's beginning to take up slightly more of my daily thinking time than it should :-)

I have few models in the process of being built (which i'll photo and post), but incase they don't work.... i have 2 backup plans, which could be a total waste of time, but wonder if anyone has tried either before.

1) I work in investment banking and frequently use genetic algorithms, monte carlo simulations and neural networks to find trading opportunities. It would be very difficult to program the rules, but I'm thinking of trying to give a computer enough information about leverage, gravity, friction etc. and see if it can highlight any interesting wheel configurations.

2) This one may be worse than the first... I just wonder if in the back of my mind, I do actually know the answer (by "I" i really mean any of us), but something is stopping us finding the answer. What stops us could be anything from it contradicts the rules of mathematics that we've been brought up on, or it is such a lateral step from all the standard configurations we normally see, or we're afraid of the consequence... Anyway I'm considering Hypnosis in attempt to see if I could be coaxed into taking a fresh look at this. (Just so happens my mother is a hypnotherapist)

Any chance anyone has any thoughts on either of these?

Cheers.

[scott]

Hi Gavin, thanks for your post and welcome to the forum.

I'm thinking of trying to give a computer enough information about leverage, gravity, friction etc. and see if it can highlight any interesting wheel configurations

Very interesting idea! I worked with genetic algorithms some when I wrote a vehicle routing system a few years back. Could come up with some interesting arrangements that way, but would be tricky to implement I think.

I'm considering Hypnosis in attempt to see if I could be coaxed into taking a fresh look at this

I know some have tried "remote viewing" and some such but I have not heard of hypnosis per se. Could be interesting!

Thanks again for your post and welcome.

-Scott

[gavin]

just thought i'd post this incase anyone is interested in the subject.

finally got back to the UK so tried the hypnosis - i found it very interesting and has highlighted a nice wheel design. It can't reveal anything that isn't already in your head, but under hypnosis you think in a very different way. i looked at this exercise as a way of asking for my best guess at the answer, just using a different approach.

It worked like this:

Once i was under which took a while, i was taken to a place called the "hall of knowledge" this can take any form but in my case felt like a large egyptian room. once you're here you can ask a question - my question obviously being how does the wheel work.

the answer came in a nice way - first i imedialtely imagined i was there watching a wheel. second i asked for the cover to come off - which it did, but only partially.

there were 3 key things i saw...

1) The weights were perfectly cylindrical and you could tell they needed to be able to roll on something.

2) The important section of the wheel to concentrate on was the upper left quarter (between 9 and 12)

3) it looked like each weight interacted with the one above it, such that through a very simple setup both weights were forced inwards

The rest of the session took a bit of a turn in direction - empahsising that it was very important to think about what the motivation for for solving this really was. the key thing being, it doesn't matter who gets to bottom of this, as long as someone does.

anyway - personally i found it really interesting, no idea if it would really help, but i do believe if someone out there is close but just missing the final step hypnosis could piece it all together.

hope 2007 brings some good news.

[graham]

Hi Gavin, some people might think that you are a bit weird for trying hypnosis but not I. I've tried similar approaches myself , like deep meditation but have not come up with anything definite.

The important section of the wheel to concentrate on was the upper left quarter (between 9 and 12)

I presume that you are refering to the ascending side here. Interesting.
Maybe another session might yield more information , thanks for sharing .

Graham

[graham]

While on the subject of the paranormal I know that John Collins has a copy of "Das Triumphans" , an original most likely Besslers personal copy.
I have wondered what would happen if John were to take that copy to a psychic of good repute and have them give a reading on it.
It would be most interesting and possibly shed some light .
Maybe JB is up there just waiting for someone to ask .

There is an English psychic by the name of Lisa Williams who has been on TV here and her abilities are quite amazing.I am definitely a believer.

Graham

[LustInBlack]

Very interesting, may I ask, what is your opinion on what the motivation must be !? .

Would you consider going under hypnosis more frequently!?

[Kirk]

hypnosis can be of immense help in accentuating esp

[John Collins]

Interesting idea Graham, and the thought had occured to me but I've done nothing about it so far. I'll look into this Lisa Williams and see what I can arrange.

John Collins

[winkle]

John wrote

I'll look into this Lisa Williams and see what I can arrange.

John

i was under the impression that you had already found the solation

are you saying that you'r idea did not pan out ?

[John Collins]

I am still working on it. I think I said this before but in case I didn't - I believe I have the basic concept and I also think I have the bits of the mechanism, but putting them together still involves some trial and error - and so far it's been only error!

I have been away from the workshop since about two weeks before Christmas and have only returned to it today and looking at what I have done with fresh eyes has given me renewed confidence that I am going down the right path. I don't say much about it because we are all familar with the premature excitement when you think you've got it and then it turns out that you haven't.

I'm sure that somewhere among all of Bessler's work there is everything we need to build the wheel, but I have only got part of it and anything that might provide extra information is worth considering. I'm not sure about Lisa Williams, though. I looked her up on the web and she seems a bit too commercial for my liking but I am aware of others in the UK who have a good reputation and who do it more discreetly and I may make an approach to them some time this year.

John Collins

[KAS]

John, Kirk, Graham,
Do you honestly think there is any milage in this way of thinking?

I personally don't believe that psychics possess any type of "gift" as they suggest but if it proves my point then I suppose It would be interesting to know the results.

I have always believed that so called mediums or psychics do their homework before any session and the information they provide is usually based on research, the process of elimination and the law of averages.

I fail to see how a person who is not mechanically minded could make any sense of Bessler's writings.

If we are struggling, what chance have they?

Kas

[John Collins]

Actually I agree with you Kas, but I have always professed to have an open mind and have been somewhat scathing about those who won't consider anything that is a bit wacky. So I'll give it a go even though I don't believe in it - just in case :-)

JC

[Kirk]

Kas you have to separate the entertainers from the real deal.

If you study "mentalism" you will see the commercial performers and their methods. Brilliant stuff actually but based on misdirection or projection.

The real magic is knowing what you dont know. Turns out we know a lot that we dont know - the "subconscious" knows it but it is repressed. Best accessed through ideomotor response and deep trance.

I find hypnosis can refresh ones imagination. An amazing tool but fell into disrepute when the worlds worst hypnotherapist gained acclaim - Sigmund Freud. Thats where the couch comes from. The real brain was Charcot - his teacher. But history is his story. And the man with the PR wins.

PS -You would be in trance - not them. You know the data - not them.
They facilitate you - guide you.

[Gregory]

I think there are a few real psychic or visionaire out there who might able to help with some useful hints, information, or feeling. But finding the right person for this purpose... can be a hard business. Anyway, it worth a try.

Sometimes non-mechanic eyed people can tell interesting things which is not obvious for the trained mechanical eyes.

Hypnosis also a possibility, but if it doesn't work good enough after some tries, then I think it will be better to not use it regularly.