What We Know

[Michael]

Hi All,

The machine was of simple construction, as evidenced by a statement of the Count, Bessler, who stated; it could be built in a night, and by the small cross section width of the wheel 6 inches to 12 inches for the large 12 foot wheel.

It always had constant torque, else it could not bear a load.

There is quite possibly a misinterpretaion of comments made due to old world German.

There was a noise herd (8 times per rotation)

Swinging weight could mean hanging, as commented on by John C. And as evidenced by Besslers statement that the weights can be somewhat modified as demonstrated in the main drawings of the wheel, and on drawing # 142. A hanging weight can be set at an angle and held there by the device shown, and as experimented with by both myself and grim.

It's main innerds may not be rotational, as evidenced by the statement; a wheel appears, but is it?


It's possible-possible that part of its power came from something other than weights ei. stored from springs, or pressure-hydralic, or temprature.

This being said, I am once again starting construction of a machine that I feel will work. It is a modification of something I invented a few years ago ( provable). It will take a few months and I will let all know how I am progressing as I go. I know I've said this before. This is a documentation of my activities.

Cheers,

Michael Olson

[Michael]

Hi Scott, this is the message that should be read. I couldn't edit the first on sent in.

Mike

[grim]

Hi Michael

On Ovvyus' site, Wolff's description, we are also looking at a 60 pound load raised only by multiplying the force thru pulleys at better than 4:1.
If we give JB the benefit of the doubt at 5:1, and minimize the pull on the weight, say 65 pounds, the wheel itself was able to pull only a little over 12 pounds for a 11 foot wheel.

It couldn't have been completely out of balance 100 percent of the time or he'd have had speed problems. The lift was described as very slow, and comment was made that it wasn't powerful enough to do anything.

It's a downer, but nevertheless an apparent eyewitness fact, and such documented operational observations are just as important as all the sensational stuff when it comes to analyzing the historical wheel's hidden guts.

Best regards

grim

[Michael]

Hi Grim,

This is all true regarding leverage to real weight.

This is a bit of a problem though;

> It couldn't have been completely out of balance 100 percent of the time or he have had speed problems. The lift was described as very slow, and comment was made that it wasn't powerful enough to do anything.

My feeling was it had to be out of balance all of the time, otherwise in the time segments where it was balanced the load would do more than just lower the rotational speed. It would cause a rotational "wobble", speed up-and then slow down. possibly even stopping it all together. I've asked John before if there was any speed differences and he said no it was a smooth running wheel. Perhaps there were time segments where the torque was greater than other times, and the lower torque time was close to equalling the load the wheel beared.

Mike

I just want to edit in the fact that what I have in mind for my own machine IS NOT related to Bessler, nor did I gleam it from any of his drawings. My recent posts regarding Bessler has been due to things I have seen after this.

[grim]

That's right.

And if it was overspeeded it dropped back down to its "running speed".

Old JB rigged some sort of governor mech in it.

Sounds like one of those old "hit and miss" farm engines- big flywheel and
speed governed by only letting it hit occasionally, depending on load. The more the load the more often they "hit".

Time to get out Mr. Pencil.

Best regards

grim

[Michael]

Grim,

Maybe the banging heard was the speed governor to a 100 percent overbalanced wheel, and not the driver. He did say the noise was needed. I think people think his quote "tha anvil recieves many blows" means that this is the drive to the wheel. I think the quote is a finger pointed in a different direction. I've hinted at it before.

Sincerly,

Mike

[jim_mich]

With any wheel containing individual moving or shifting weights, the rotational speed would control how the weights shifted. With no rotation all weights would move lower and then rest there. At very high speed all weights would move outward and rest there while the wheel spins. Only at some moderate speed would the weights alternate beteen the effect of gravity and the centrifical force. So a real working wheel would seek a given speed, which might vary according to load just as any engine does.

[scott]

Here's what I recall from my research (please chime in if I get anything wrong...)

1. The bi-directional wheel was perfectly balanced at any point in its rotation, and required a good push to get it started (a small push did nothing). That is, once the wheel was turning, it could be stopped by force and would stand still at that point in its rotation.

2. When a load was applied to the wheel, its rpm decreased, but then remained constant (as Jim suggested)

3. The wheel exhibited a braking effect if one attempted to make it run faster than its natural speed.

This list could go on and on... :-)

-Scott

[jim_mich]

I'm sure all have observed an ice skater doing a spin, with arms stretched out the spin is slow, with arms close to body the spin is fast. In both cases the spin speed of the arms are similar, but the arms travel a shorter path when close to the body. By moving the arms in or out, kinetic energy can be transfered between the arms and the body. I envision some type of wheel where a weight is moved inward, tranfering kinetic energy to the wheel, then regains its speed and energy from gravity as it moves back outward. Currently I don't know how to do this.

[ovyyus]

Hi Scott,

1) Started with a "light push". Bi-direction wheel required minimum starting speed above which point it accelerated and below which point it stopped.

2) Agree

3) There is no evidence of a braking effect and it is unknown what would happen if the wheel was forced to rotate faster than it's maximum free-running speed. Bessler stated that he would allow any test - but NOT one which caused the wheel to turn faster than the maximum speed for which it was designed. It would seem that forcing the wheel to rotate faster than its maximum self-turning RPM might cause problems with the mechanism.

[alfilmx]

Well here, I think that the wheel of bessler work like tells Jan Rutkowski but the that alone outline they go up 2 balls for turn I believe that in the mt 47 are a clue of like it went up 4 balls each half turn