Is the Jet Stream broken?

[winkle]

that worming above may not be much of an issue
but the warming might
8% thats not much
i wonder what a 6 ft tall man that can't swim standing in 5 1/2 ft of water would think of an 8% increase in the depth of the water
i suppose we could ask cows to quit farting but i don't think they would listen
but i think a lot of people not going to listen either

Around the world, this summer was different: Country after country experienced the hottest weeks since records have been kept. China experienced its worst storm in fifty years. Visitors flocked to an alpine village in Switzerland to see its mountain crumble -- the result of the melting of a glacier. Greenland may soon again become green. Oil companies are relishing the prospect of getting at oil beneath the Arctic Ocean, as its ice cap melts more rapidly than anyone anticipated a few years ago.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f ... L4C1T1.DTL

well look on the bright side dry ice should become cheaper

[ovyyus]

...On the other hand, I can't be sure we are really that important in the big picture anyway.

Seriously? Any farmer will tell you that their actions, or inactions, are hugely important in terms of the quality of their environment, what the land can grow, the number of animals it can feed, the amount of soil erosion that might occur, etc. Now multiply that by a stupidly big factor worldwide and it sure sounds like we play an important central role in the only big picture we have.

[Wheeler]

In the atmosphere of Global Warming (pun intended).
I would like to list a few problems with the industrial revolution disaster.

Positive and negative ideas appreciated.

Without concern for long term effects, people wanted to get off the farm, and this is one thing that I think helped fuel the revolution.Who would want to stay on the farm and have dad expect you in the barn at 5am?
Young girls read books about far away places and dreamed of beautiful cloths and Paris. Boys also could see what city folk did in the evening. Newspapers often showed men and women going to theater and buying hats. Lots of pull away from the milking stool!

The whole thing expanded and good things happened to good people.

When you can buy anything, you enjoy the power and who washes the dishes is no concern to you. Your on to the next thing.

2.How high should a smoke stack be?
If you burn 10KA lb. of waste per week, the people will not like the fallout of unburned material coming from the short chimney.So build one that lets the smoke out at 200 ft., and the byproducts are distributed through air. This gives the factory open acess to production and people living close to the factory are not directly in the path of pollution.



For today it is business as usual.

The jet stream has come back to the old path and ol man winter is holding the door wide open. At least on the east coast of the USA.

[Vic Hays]

that worming above may not be much of an issue
but the warming might
8% thats not much
i wonder what a 6 ft tall man that can't swim standing in 5 1/2 ft of water would think of an 8% increase in the depth of the water
i suppose we could ask cows to quit farting but i don't think they would listen

I am not quite sure you understood my post. The cows will continue to fart and we will continue to burn fuel and breathe.

Even if all of that activity stopped cold it will make little difference in the rise of CO2. In order to make a difference we have to do things that will take CO2 out of the environment.

This might include carbon sequestering (putting carbon back underground) and encouraging natural processes that take carbon out of the cycle.

Some of the things that will take carbon out of the environment are the formation of limestone and photosynthesis by plankton.

All we need is an unlimited supply of free energy.

[Wheeler]

I thought I might look at other peoples ideas about the Industrial Revolution and I found this site.
It has very good graphics that show the change of the pursuit of happiness.

It tells the story in images based on the study of human desire for better and easier lifestyles.

If you get a chance to skim over it I would enjoy any feedback.

http://www.ricoh.com/environment/management/earth.html

[Vic Hays]

Wheeler

Your article is great, but it is flawed by the underlying premise that the earth has an ecological balance. As far as I can see this balance has not existed in recorded history.

A society that can live within its ecological budget may not be possible given the population of the earth. Just walking on the ground causes damage by compaction etc.

Im not sure that man will be able to cooperate well enough to acheive that status before it is too late.

Matt 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Matt 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

[Fletcher]

I think that modern societies i.e. consumer production based economies are poised at a threshold & their decisions now may well be the defining moment of the 21st century, as far as the health of the planet goes.

I like the concept of Ghia. It draws the analogy IINM of the planet as as a living organism. Sort of like your favourite cat. It can sustain & even flourish with a certain loading of fleas but if the parasitic numbers should explode, because of unusually favourable conditions, so that they draw to much blood, the cat will get anaemic & die. This of course kills the host & also the parasites & is a self defeating strategy. Then again, fleas are not intelligent so can be excused for their lack of foresight.

We are those fleas, biting & crapping everywhere & multiplying our numbers without thought to the eventual health of the host. We hope to stave off the eventual hardship & the taking of collective responsibility for our actions, by looking to further advances in technology to solve our short term ecological & environmental problems. These 'fixes' will undoubtably happen, to some degree or other, but the days of virtual unlimited access to resources & the economic law of diminishing returns are set to collide. Better hope our host has 9 lives & a strong immune system.

http://www.junkscience.com/

[ovyyus]

Fletcher, I have little doubt that the host will survive long after the fleas have induced their own treatment and make way for what comes next.

Vic, I think those prophecies are about 2000 years past their use by date. However, some things (like the nature of we critters) certainly seem to remain fairly consistent through time.

[winkle]

ovyyus wrote

I think those prophecies are about 2000 years past their use by date

that statement reminds me of a song that was popular years ago
part of it went like this
fools rush in where wise men fear to tread
Chou en Lai when ask about the French Revolution his answer was
It is far too early to say
i am curous Bill
do you understand what what he meant by that
i am also curious why you say those prophecies are about 2000 years past their use by date
based on what have you decided that
and this

However, some things (like the nature of we critters) certainly seem to remain fairly consistent through time.

seems like to me thats what scripture teaches
Ec:1:9: The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Chou may have had it right
it just could be
It is far too early to say

it may not take a brave man to defy God
just a foolish one

[ovyyus]

Winkle, you are clearly a follower of some brand of religious belief. I can be neither brave nor defying nor foolish about a thing which you believe and which I do not.

[winkle]

Winkle, you are clearly a follower of some brand of religious belief

thats all wrong
i don't follow any religious dogma
i just look for the right way to go
and sometimes find a small truth and sometimes a not so small truth
but then again i may just have a head full of tube worms

[ovyyus]

ok:)

[Wheeler]

Well it looks like I am going to have to answer my own question.
From what I can see, the jet stream was broke for a short while and the broken section showed up on satellite images.
When it reformed, the system slowly came back to somewhat normal.
However as I watch the jet stream, I do notice the disturbance more often.

If this is a 10 or 20 year pattern I have no idea.

I only know that I have seen this pattern change, and observed the climate change.
I am still trying to understand this.

I wonder if by a long shot, the satellite and cell phone transmissions have any influence on the jet stream.
The change of all three has followed a pattern on my graff.

[Wheeler]

Looking at todays Jet Stream I think some of my confusion about this is the fact of changes in heat mass movement.

In the attached image I circled an area where some type of force has an influence on the jet stream often.
It may be common knowledge to people who understand atmospheric dynamics.

What is cool about this science it that we can have daily image reports sent around the world and anyone can view and know how and approx. when the weather will change or move.

That to me is indeed a wonderful part of computers/communication.
Thanks to Scott we are able to exchange ideas and science.

Check out the flow of the Jet Stream from Alaska to the east coast.

It just like the old storybooks where you see this big guy putting all his energy into moving air by blowing it down on the land and it's victims.

[Vic Hays]

If you were going to experiment with the weather in the US wouldn't this seem to be the ideal place to disrupt the jet stream. Do you know where HAARP is located?

Satellite and cell phones are low energy in comparison.