Is the Jet Stream broken?

[Wheeler]

Vic
I did not know about HAARP and I am surprized to know about it.
What the he haw is goin on!
Do you think they can alter the atmosphere on a large scale.
From this web site, it looks like this is what is going on.

http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/hos3.html

I will have to understand more before I can comment on this
Thanks

Edit
I have seen the rainbow effect of fuel dumping over the Atlanta,GA. area from jets. I can see how chemical dumping can alter the atmosphere and also create the rainbows.

[Vic Hays]

Tesla was intrigued with controling the weather by electrical means and developed and patented certain equipment to do it.

HAARP is a supposed research project.

The acres of antennae arrays are based on Tesla's work.

We are talking multi megawatts of power being discharged into the ionosphere.

If this is Aurora Borealis research then perhaps the weather change is only incidental. High Frequency Active Aurora Research Project

The Russians have a large spread out Woodpecker system, a la Tesla, and have sold weather in the past.

There is an official office of weather control in the Federal Government as of last year.

It is also agreed by the United Nations not to use weather as a weapon.

If weather control is not a reality why should we need legislation for it?

[Vic Hays]

The paranoia about contrails being a deliberate attempt to poison the inhabitants of the earth are just that , paranoia.

Dumping jet fuel is going to do something though even if it is not malicious.

Contrails themselves probably have contributed extensively to global dimming which has to a large degree offset global warming.

If we quit flying now it could have tremendous effect upon the weather.

If the atmosphere clears up like it was in the middle of the 20th century we will probably feel the heat.

I am no expert on any of these things. I am just a person that trys to look at the evidence impartially.

[Wheeler]

Hi Vic
I am not an expert either, and I am just listing and learning as I go.
I can see the other side of this like Mr.Tim suggested.

I appreciate your and everyones thoughts and links.
The link I gave did seem to lean to the paranoia edge.

I may visit the Atmospheric science dept and see if I can get a few ideas from them.
Thanks

[Wheeler]

I did have a question about crop circles,Tesla, and satellites.
In the image I find it hard to believe it is nothing more than bead board with an image projected onto it.
However in a search on Goggle, this is one of the posted images.

[MrTim]

What the crop circles are really saying:



;)

[Wheeler]

Hi Mr. Tim
I was not sure what you were saying in your last post. Please try to help me understand in another way.

Meanwhile I am happy to post the attached image of todays jet steam.
Although not terribly important to everyone, it shows the flow close to the pattern it used to be.

The only reason I am watching this is because I noticed differences in weather over the last few years, and the pattern of the jet stream has also changed during this time.

This snake like pattern seems to be how it used to flow for years and the resent change concerned me.

[winkle]

through another log on the fire

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070217/sc ... herclimate

[Wheeler]

thanks for the good information Winkle.
That is a shift in temp. that I have noticed over the years.

One thing that has disturbed me is this.
During the last 20 years or so I have been paying attention to how hot to the touch a piece of steel will get if left in full view of the sun on an average clear day.

Has anyone ever picked up a carpenters steel square during the day and noticed that it seems to be much hotter than it used to be.
I can not be sure because I did not document this by measuring the temp.
However it just brings my attention to it every summer.
The steel and even an aluminum piece will actually burn your finger when you pick it up if left in the open sun for awhile.

I think the sun is now transferring heat directly to earth more than ever.

[winkle]

could this lovely picturesque scene really be a problem

choke gag choke

excuse me

when the air on earth is the same consistency as bus fumes

i wonder how wise the nay sayers will feel

gag choke puke

excuse me

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=po ... gle+Search

[Vic Hays]

A visible emmission from a stack does not mean it is good or bad. If it is mostly steam then it might not be so bad. Some stacks have no visible emmission yet are emitting mercury or some other bad substance.

At any rate people still want the lights to come on when they flip the switch even if they are concerned about the environment.

[Wheeler]

Yep
Remember the cigarette slogan (It's what’s up front that counts)
Well in the case of these guys, it's what out back that counts.

We use the brush and junk wood at one of the local electric plants to produce steam and then electricity.
When you see the smoke stack from a distance on a damp day, it looks like they are pouting. However in this case they are letting off steam and it combines with the vapor in the air to make it look like smoke.

I noticed a truck load of logs yesterday. The logs were 40 inches at the butt end. I could hardly believe they were from around here.
They went right past the large sawmill and I know why.

Canada
Yep
Just up the road a bit.
Get the logs from Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, truck em up, and truck the finished products back down here. We sell trees off our land made into cabinets etc. from Canada.

They know what they are doing, and they make good stuff.

[rounder]

if you seach google video there is a very good one called GLOBAL DIMMING that explains the changing jet stream, and the pollution vs,greenhouse gas debate

[winkle]

Vick hays wrote

A visible emmission from a stack does not mean it is good or bad. If it is mostly steam then it might not be so bad. Some stacks have no visible emmission yet are emitting mercury or some other bad substance.

i disagree with you

water vapor holds more heat than co2

it's just that we cain't do anything about water vaper and it's mostly natures product any way

does'nt matter witch one it is their both bad news

[Vic Hays]

Maybe the increase of water vapor in the air which cause global dimming is actually causing most of the increase in temperature.

Where I live the high and low temperature changes are extreme. It can easily be 80 degrees in the daytime and frost at night. When it is overcast the low temperatures are moderated.